NHS fate decided

AliGorie

how could we allow this to happen ?
seen their full steam ahead on this -

lloyd

What's happened?

Heartfeltdawn

Well it worked on trains...

AliGorie

all over the state broadcasters today setting the 'tone'
e.g.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37332576

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37331350

Drew_TNBD

This has been coming for decades.

bingefeller

So what has been decided?

AliGorie

bingefeller said:

So what has been decided?

sorry bing - just 'noticing the seagulls coming inland'

bingefeller

AliGorie said:

bingefeller said:

So what has been decided?

sorry bing - just 'noticing the seagulls coming inland'

I don't know what that means.  

You're implying something has been decided already, but I don't see what, bar a cash boost.  

AliGorie

Bing - what NC says -
"defund, make sure it doesn’t work" (and broadcast it - as I’m noticing more and more racking it up) etc, etc
Seagulls can sense a storm coming and vacate the coastline.

bingefeller

Ohh OK I see what you mean now.  

webrthomson

Good stuff - let not let facts get in the way, the NHS is one of a very few departments that have had their budgets ring fenced and then when they needed yet more money they were given another 8 billion here you go:

http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

The NHS is being killed by three things:

1. Brutal management incompetence and greed and the inability to draw up supplier contracts
2. An aging population adding pressure for services as demand increases
3. A ignorant public, more obese and less exercising that at any time in know history thinking the NHS will fix, and pay for all their woes.

Irrespective of the level of funding these three things will kill the NHS in it's current form in the next two decades.

As a simple example - my GP surgery averages about 30%-40% of appointments missed at great cost to the surgery and to other patients who otherwise might have got to see the GP. The answer to this is to charge a token amount, £10, payable if you miss the appointment without cancelling a day in advance at the next appointment. Missed apointments would plummet.

Trust me its not the evil Torys killing the NHS it's the ignorant users, but we can't possibly blame them now can we

Also if you think there is no privatisation in the NHS go read about how GP surgeries work - they are all private limited partnerships!

BigLicks67

I work for the NHS and my department computers are so old you'd think they'd been salvaged from a skip.
I've no idea what is wrong with the NHS and what it would take to fix it but I do not know it offers free health care to a reasonable standard and if you've ever sat in a Pharmacy and watched patients walking out with shopping bags full of prescription drugs that they either get free or pay £8.00 for then you know how the costs rack up.

One mistake they do make is to not get good value from suppliers of goods even with simple things like stationery they pay over the odds.

http://www.express.co.uk/scotland/587952/NHS-wasting-31million-a-year-on-free-drugs

Blaming the Tories is a bit of a simplification.