Cliff Richard.

Gassage

You know, all allegations were groundless and it's been hugely humiliating.

I think £200k is too low. The damage is huge.

Lesley Card needs her cards.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/going-now-dan-cliff-richard-9126474

Jimbro66

Gassage said:

Lesley Card needs her cards.

Absolutely! And all other senior officers involved in this disgraceful episode. Heads should also roll at the BBC in addition to the payment of legal costs and damages. Trial by media needs to be effectively deterred.

boogieman

The BBC acted shamelessly here. If the allegations are true the police deserve a good arse kicking too. Heads need to roll. Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

fretmeister

If he is seeking £200,000 in damages but has spent about £1 Million in legal fees then the rules of proportionality will kick in and his legal fee recovery will be severely limited. He might actually get under £100,000 in legal fees (leaving him to pay a shorfall of £900K)

This stems from the application of the LASPO Act and the reforms from Lord Justice Jackson - that above all (even above achieving justice) the cost must be proportionate.

In other words if Justice means you need to spend more than the damages award then you shouldn't bother. 

This has recently caught Brian May out too in a planning dispute

http://tgchambers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Proportionality.pdf


TLDR: Brian sued his neighbour. It settled without a trial. Brian's claim for costs was about £208,000

At the Detailed Assessment of Costs the specialist costs judge went through each line of the claim and removed all unnecessary items and reduced other items until he was left with pretty much just the UNAVOIDABLE work. That lowered the claim for costs to about £99,000. A huge reduction already.

Then because of the proportionality rules he knocked that down to £35,000 leaving Dr May to pay the shortfall to £173,000.

Jimbro66

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

Gassage

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

In this instance, I'd suggest criminal proceedings need to follow.

Jimbro66

Gassage said:

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

In this instance, I'd suggest criminal proceedings need to follow.

Indeed!

57Deluxe

yeah but £200k when you only got five mins left to live is probbo enough...

Gassage

Cliff looks great for his age.

lustycourtier

South Yorkshire police, AGAIN 

Jimbro66

Gassage said:

Cliff looks great for his age.

Nice boobs

Fretwired

Jimbro66 said:

Gassage said:

Cliff looks great for his age.

Nice boobs

Bend it with Beckham ... :-)

mudslide73

Sir Clifford Richard - My poor mother has lined his pockets and probably funded many of his Algarve restaurant bills. I should sue him for the effect his music had on my early years. 

boogieman

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

Licence fee = the BBC is partly publicly funded too.

RobDavies

Cliff Richard - Hammersmith Odeon circa 1982, wiv me Mum.

Loudest gig I've ever been to.

Jimbro66

boogieman said:

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

Licence fee = the BBC is partly publicly funded too.

Yes but the licence fee is controlled independently of the BBC and they can't raise it willy-nilly any time it suits them, in this case to recover legal costs. What a large settlement will do is reduce the BBC's budget for programmes or celebs' wages, which will hurt them. Good!

Sambostar

The BBC displaying tactics of gutter journalism.  What a surprise.

marantz1300

Fretwired said:

Jimbro66 said:

Gassage said:

Cliff looks great for his age.

Nice boobs

Bend it with Beckham ... :-)

Not gay then.

He looks like Posh spice!"

axisus

I think the BBC have been disgraceful here, and the police shambolic. Heads should roll in both cases.

boogieman

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Jimbro66 said:

boogieman said:

Trouble is it's public money that's being handed over if they do have to pay damages. 

In the case of the BBC, being hit hard in the pocket will hurt them and cause them inconvenience in their constant battle for ratings.

Financial penalisation of the police indeed does adversely affect tax payers so in their case it should be mainly dealt with by sackings, demotions and formal reprimands.

Licence fee = the BBC is partly publicly funded too.

Yes but the licence fee is controlled independently of the BBC and they can't raise it willy-nilly any time it suits them, in this case to recover legal costs. What a large settlement will do is reduce the BBC's budget for programmes or celebs' wages, which will hurt them. Good!

My point was that if the BBC have to pay damages, then the public is effectively funding part of it because we pay a tv licence fee. In the case of the police we will be funding all of any pay out. Personally I'd like to see the slimy individuals involved in this paying some of it out of their own pockets, but that'll never happen. 

I suspect (and sincerely hope) Cliff will donate all of any damages awarded to charity. It's not like he actually needs the money. 

Sambostar

We do.