Wet and Dry amp/fx set up

hotpickups

ok @dindude you asked for it lol

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/4232D91D-3E36-41AF-A597-29066B46D2AD_zpsge3namrh.jpg

Its wired like this so I can use the PRE/POST feature of the möbius it then goes onto the timeline from the möbius and from the timeline output to the amp. Amp 2 comes out of the isolated port of the switcher so it gets nothing

here it is in context

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/B85FCF0A-18D1-4F72-BB9B-4C3EA78A16A4_zpsbkobqozr.jpg

robinbowes

Ok, so you could insert your dry amp after the mobius.

R.

ChrisMusic

robinbowes said:

dindude said:

Ok, I've just done you a highly technical drawing....
http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n505/dindude/IMG_1454_zpsz2dbvjyb.jpg

Perfect.

Perfect, although it is more conventional to show signal flow from left to right (as in reading direction (in the western world)) or from top to bottom.  Output of one device leading to the input of the next device.  (For anyone who thinks they have an "input" jack on their guitar = no!).  Circuit diagrams (schematics in USA speak) always do that.

Jonathanthomas83

If you've got two amps and you have stereo pedals like that, then by feeding one amp with a wet signal and one with a dry, you're missing out on the exceptional stereo image that those pedals are designed to offer.

IMO, you'd be better served by parallel mixing the dry signal into the left and right stereo field.

I'm not sure how cheap you could do it, but it involves splitting the dry signal off before the effects, then mixing it back into the left and right signals before it gets fed back to each amp. This is almost always best done after the pre-amp (power amp too, if possible).

Also, it's worth noting that you don't need two amps to do that either - but that's a discussion for another day!

dindude

hotpickups said:

ok @dindude you asked for it lol

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/4232D91D-3E36-41AF-A597-29066B46D2AD_zpsge3namrh.jpg

Its wired like this so I can use the PRE/POST feature of the möbius it then goes onto the timeline from the möbius and from the timeline output to the amp. Amp 2 comes out of the isolated port of the switcher so it gets nothing

here it is in context

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/B85FCF0A-18D1-4F72-BB9B-4C3EA78A16A4_zpsbkobqozr.jpg

Ah ok, it's the möbius pre/post that adds a level of complexity here, I'm not aware of the möbius connections, will need to take a look.

hotpickups

Jonathanthomas83 said:

If you've got two amps and you have stereo pedals like that, then by feeding one amp with a wet signal and one with a dry, you're missing out on the exceptional stereo image that those pedals are designed to offer.

IMO, you'd be better served by parallel mixing the dry signal into the left and right stereo field.

I'm not sure how cheap you could do it, but it involves splitting the dry signal off before the effects, then mixing it back into the left and right signals before it gets fed back to each amp. This is almost always best done after the pre-amp (power amp too, if possible).

Also, it's worth noting that you don't need two amps to do that either - but that's a discussion for another day!

LOL this is where I usually bail out of this stuff. I'd love to try it because, as you say, I have the tools at my feet to accomplish it but I dot have a clue how to set it up. Quite frustrating

@Sporky was a great help when I last ventured down this road. It was a long road but he eventually got through to me so I can understand some of it LOL

robinbowes

I don't get why you have a setup so complex you don't understand.

hotpickups

dindude said:

hotpickups said:

ok @dindude you asked for it lol

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/4232D91D-3E36-41AF-A597-29066B46D2AD_zpsge3namrh.jpg

Its wired like this so I can use the PRE/POST feature of the möbius it then goes onto the timeline from the möbius and from the timeline output to the amp. Amp 2 comes out of the isolated port of the switcher so it gets nothing

here it is in context

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h471/gibby12345/My Images/B85FCF0A-18D1-4F72-BB9B-4C3EA78A16A4_zpsbkobqozr.jpg

Ah ok, it's the möbius pre/post that adds a level of complexity here, I'm not aware of the möbius connections, will need to take a look.

Thanks @dindude I'd appreciate that very much  

By the way I've recently sold my 2nd amp and waiting for my new amp to be built so frustratingly I can't really test anything really but I'm just getting ready for when I do have the amp delivered

hotpickups

robinbowes said:

I don't get why you have a setup so complex you don't understand.

LOL well as mentioned I had help

dindude

Hhhmmm, can't actually think of a way of keeping Möbius pre and post with pre going to dry and post going to wet, which would be the ideal.

But if you were happy with either of these it's easy enough:

möbius (pre or post) always going to the dry amp.
möbius always going to the wet amp but always post OD.

hotpickups

dindude said:

Hhhmmm, can't actually think of a way of keeping Möbius pre and post with pre going to dry and post going to wet, which would be the ideal.

But if you were happy with either of these it's easy enough:

möbius (pre or post) always going to the dry amp.
möbius always going to the wet amp but always post OD.

Great thanks @dindude ; Could you explain how to go about doing that?

thanks again

dindude

Ok, I'd probably do I think like this for simplicity.

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n505/dindude/IMG_1455_zpsdvgvaysg.jpg

If you wanted the mobius to be always before OD (and going to the dry amp) then just place it before the looper that controls the OD/comp.

As someone else said, could be also worth checking out running the mobius and timeline in true stereo, in which case ditch the splitter and run the stereo outs from the mobius in the above diagram into the stereo ins of the ti line and then the stereo outs of the tim line into the two amps.

As an aside that looper looks like massive overkill for controlling two OD's and a Comp (if indeed that is all it is doing?). If it's also controlling the mobius presets then we're probably in trouble again (although I'm not great on midi controllers).

hotpickups

Thanks @dindude I can see that working. I think I'll get a bit lost when it comes to the stereo side of things

Yes the looper does seem a bit overkill at the moment but I did have more pedals not so long ago but have whittled them down to the above now. Also is great to just step on one switch to select an OD or distortion and mods simultanously etc.

hotpickups

One more thing though just to clear things up why is it called a WET amp for the delays/Mods etc  and the DRY amp for the ODs? Just out of annoying interest

Jonathanthomas83

There's no such thing as a wet amp or a dry amp. They're just normal amps that you're choosing to send an unaffected signal to one of them and an affected signal to the other. Unaffected (dry) being just guitar and dirt (and compression), and affected (wet) being that signal but any modulation/delays etc.

ChrisMusic

hotpickups said:

One more thing though just to clear things up why is it called a WET amp for the delays/Mods etc  and the DRY amp for the ODs? Just out of annoying interest

Again just a matter of convention and shared language.  The simple explanation is to think of the sound of a spring reverb, kinda wet and splashy IMO, so WET largely encompasses reverb, delay, modulation etc.

Dry sounds are those that are untreated, and I guess OD and distortion have always been viewed as the front of the signal chain (from a miced amp), at least as far as recording goes, which is where I believe the WET / DRY terminology originates.

Sporky

If you put the splitter immediately after the loop switcher then I think you'd get some pre/post functionality from the Mobius. But like last tome it depends on the exact signal chain.

hotpickups

Sporky said:

If you put the splitter immediately after the loop switcher then I think you'd get some pre/post functionality from the Mobius. But like last tome it depends on the exact signal chain.

Makes you realise how good the G2 is as this would all be straight forward. However, at a hell of a price

pmg

G2 doesn't do wet/dry, both outputs get the full pedal chain

hotpickups

pmg said:

G2 doesn't do wet/dry, both outputs get the full pedal chain

No of course but it enables this sort of stuff to be a bit easier to implement. One would still need to buy a splitter or humdinger