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This is it isn't it? Rfu should have come out and banned him immediately, said it was out of order. Lee says it's ok, apology accepted but it was heard on to by millions, you just can't do that. Gatland and Jones are a pair of dinosaurs on the issue, imagine this was football and someone used the N word.....makes rugby look amateurish and arcane.
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Gatlands come out and retracted that, probably because it was stupid and insensitive. In the eyes of the law calling Marler gypsy boy is as bad as calling Faletau a nigger. To travellers it's just as offensive so I think Marler will rightly have the book thrown at him and I reckon Eddie Jones and Gatland should reeducate themselves on the subject, it's not 1976 anymore and shit like this isn't acceptable, despite what they or you think I'm afraid. Would it be fine if Lee called Itoje a nigger and said sorry
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What's physicality got to do with racial abuse? He needs to be made an example of showing that this isn't acceptable, kids aren't stupid, they need to be shown there's repercussions. I ask again, would your attitude be different if Lee was black and was called a nigger? Would an apology suffice? Fuck no.
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There's no point in continuing the discussion - I agree it's bigitory - nobody is saying it isn't. Marler apologised at half-time and Lee says he accepted it. I just think there are other ways to deal with these things that usual fire storm that the press whips up.
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England captain has served 52 weeks of bans.
Game for gentlemen, apparently. Hmm.
Maybe he should take a lead from Viz and do what they did when caught in a similar predicament...
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Sorry - a facile point - but context has a bearing here, particularly on the physical stuff.
The verbal issue is a more difficult one. Saying it is against the law is no guarantee of sanction, and I don't believe it equates necessarily to other racials slurs simply because there isn't a basic equivalence across what is a complicated cultural and historical issue. That said, the more I think about it the more I think that there should've been some sanction if only to make the point and to show that rugby won't tolerate that sort of nonsense.
No it's voluntary to go on, you're allowed to hurt people who consent to it. Besides, there is a rugby law in the rugby law book which makes abuse such as this against rugby laws. It's a 4 week ban. What you think about it being equal to other slurs matters nothing as there is no difference in the eyes of the law. It's simple stuff really it is.
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I see both sides of the argument. @lloyd is right that it's unacceptable but @kjdowd is also right that we are becoming a society of manufactured outrage.
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