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You may be happy in accepting fakes but there's no need to roll out the passive aggression to those who do not condone them.
Mark is a great contributer to this forum and is obviously a straight up guy, I just think that chatting about trading illegal products on a public forum is a mistake, and doing it as a private individual when guitar dealing is your business makes it look very under the counter, like a car dealer doing dodgy MOT deals at the back door.
I'm not moralising or judging, I really don't care about Gibson's fragile feelings and have had a partscaster with a Fender decal myself in the past, I just think people should be more careful.
This place can feel like a private club at times, but it isn't.
This will never end so don't waste any more time on it, some like em some don't
Just go and have a beer or nice cup of tea
Oh just a thought if a famous player has copies made of his famous axe not by the company for say a show or to play then surely they are fake too but nobody says anything about them, normally it's completely the opposite
There are alot of double standards imo
(formerly customkits)
But my original statement stands that it seems ok for someone famous to knock up a replica and no one bats an eyelid
I'm going to wash my hair now and have a glass of wine, there are alot worse things in the world to worry about
(formerly customkits)
Dandruff and sobriety?
Yet equally I have praise for the builder if it is to be judged solely as a fine musical instrument - I happened to show it today to a very discerning customer I've known and respected for 12 years or so - Not with a view to a sale, but purely as an interested party who appreciates fine guitars - He has owned and played Tom Murphy Gibson Guitars in the past (same initials TM) and after WOW, his opening comment was why can't Gibson build such a fine replica - I'm sure many FB members have owned, sold and played such fine Tom Murphy LP Guitars, yet equally Gibson are allowed to flaunt words like 'True Historic' when True is clearly an inaccurate statement, even though they are still fine guitars - But hiding behind their IP they can protect that statement even if it is not accurate - as such there are two sides to a coin - granted one is legal, but one is also clearly not accurate
I clearly can't defend my intentions to purchase it for myself, for what ever it might or might not represent , yet equally Guitars4You don't sell fakes
Recently I had a chat with an other dealer about a late 50's Gibson LP Reissue that he was selling, that had been sent to Historic Makeovers - when first viewing the guitar he asked me 'do you think it is an original LP' and I instantly said no, but it was so good that it could quite easily fool many - that guitar is still a genuine Gibson in that it left the Gibson factory, yet it is no longer the guitar that actually left the factory - so where does this leave all of us ? - it is not a question based on wrong or right, but more a statement of confusion
Picking up on an early statement within this thread about SVL Guitars - Yes Simon applies his name to the guitar, but in the USA that same guitar is 100% illegal as Fender own the IP on the shape and outline of that pre-CBS headstock shape - granted they forgot or failed to register the IP throughout the rest of the world - But since over 50% of total guitars sales are sold within the USA then maybe it is a slight oversight on their part - IP is now not just about the brand name it is also about the identity, that is now often found in just a logo or symbol - A tick is just a tick, yet place it on sports wear and it is Nike - 3 horizontal lines are just 3 lines, yet place them on sports wear and it is Addidas - A cat is just a cat but place it on a car bonnet and it is a Jaguar - I could go on - so in the same way that Pre CBS Strat headstock is Fender's IP, yet over here we accept a SVL as okay - I last had a used SVL in stock maybe 12 months ago and following a showroom visit by my Fender Custom Shop product specialist, he noticed it and as such I received somewhat of a dressing down for trying to sell such an instrument - I know it has already been discussed at boardroom level, that if Fender can't control such activities, regarding non Fender replicas, that they can build it into there dealer stocking profile, that it would be strictly prohibited for dealers to stock new 'boutique' guitars that are clearly inspired by Fenders vintage Strat/Tele body and headstock - If they go through with this, then it will have a severe impact on 'boutique' brands selling vintage inspired guitars into the worlds largest dealers
As an example, i did a 70's start partscaster out of a lot of original 70's parts... but no neck, so i took a MIM 70's reissue neck as the starting point. It made more sense to improve and relic a MIM neck than it did to buy a dodgy original. It gave a good neck for a lot less money. All the parts are fender and many of them are 70's originals
I have also taken "62 reissue" necks and added proper clay dots and better logo's, always left the original heel marks in tact though
there is a large headstock strat neck i made out in the world with a fender logo on it. it purposely has a fake looking logo in black vinyl, but also has a separate birdseye maple fretboard and 23 frets.... i don't think there is much chance of it being sold as genuine
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How is this a reissue, it's a brand new guitar made to look old
(formerly customkits)
Unlike a Gibson Les Paul logo'd Morgan...
(formerly customkits)
It's not claiming to be a Jag
(formerly customkits)
This isn't the same, this would be similar to something like a Feline, looks like a Les Paul but is improved and with a different logo
both are mighty fine guitars though