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Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
I think in some cases the key gives us an idea about what chords and scales are gonna be used in the song but it's not an absolute rule.
With SHA it always rest on the G for 2 bars, every other chord including the D is used for one bar only, a passing tone if you will ..... that's how I hear it and if you counted out the bars on the G major they would outnumber the D by some margin
There is something odd with it though because you can't just solo using Gmaj over it, I have to try and bend to the chords when I solo over it
The starting chord doesn't help. The duration on each chord doesn't help. What helps is HOW you interpret it, even how you WISH to interpret it. It's quite possible to play it in either key, by using any number of rhythmic and melodic devices.
I could devote a whole thread to it. Oh I have.
But here's one interesting thing that you may not have thought of. Check out what little melody you mind's ear plays along to the chords, and I'll guarantee you'll fall into one of three camps:
Either at some point you'll find your mind has put in a little semitone-descending duplet of C---B--- over that D-C-G---, in which case you'll be landing on G as your tonic. Because you're resolving from the unstable 7th of the D to the stable major 3rd of the G. You can almost HEAR backing vocalists singing those notes, toggling back and forth between the V and the I -"oooooooh-yeahhhh", and again "oooooh-yeahhh". You'll be a staunch G-er and won't understand how others can possibly want to go back to what you think of as the V and stop there on the ooooooh!
OR your mind will be inserting the same little descending duplet, except it'll be an augmented 4th higher - ie F#---F---, in which case you'll be wanting to resolve to the D, because the F# is the stable major 3rd of the D and the F is the unstable 7th of the G. You'll also be imagining backing singers going oooh-yeah, but for you the yeah is a turnaround ready for the final oooooh on D. You'll be a firm D-er who can't bear to leave it unresolved, hanging, on that G, it NEEDS to return home to the D!
OR like me you'll have both pairs simultaneously, like playing xxxx78 followed by xxxx67, repeating endlessly over the 2 bars, ie playing the 3rd and 7th over D (and C), followed by the 3rd and 7th over G, and you'll be able to flip from V IV I to I bVII IV, and have to look for other cues to determine the key. Like downbeats vs upbeats, turnarounds vs settled notes, etc.
THIS is why nobody can agree. In both cases the resolution is strengthened by a 7th to a 3rd, but which is the right one? Muahaha.
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
Well H is "home".
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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Yes.Just turning up and overpowering everyone to make a point is childish. Maybe as the Noob in a band it's more important to get along with the current band members rather than come in guns blazing rocking the boat. If the keyboard is playing an incorrect chord, and has been doing it for years, then I'm assuming it's sounds Ok, in that case, just go with it and not try to re-write everything to fit the "proper" way of playing things.
Emp, give us some examples please! I would definitely get the chords corrected if they're important.
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
You may well have "kicked him out by now" for asking awkward questions about chords. Me? I'd be really happy the new guy cared enough to want to make the band sound as good as it could be.
Anyway, the chorus goes G G7 G Cm G Cm. The band play G G7 G C G C (i.e C Major rather than minor). Now, I know it's not like they're playing Db here, but it just irritates me when I don't hear the minor ! It sounds wrong - because it is wrong !
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Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
If It's 1 song that's making you have issues, just get over it and make sure all future new songs are correct, but don't' just blast everyone with what you think is correct.
If this whole thing is just because a C is played instead of a Cm then it's a storm in a teacup. not a single person in the average pub room would ever notice, actually, I bet in your average pub mix in a busy pub with a standard average/poor pub sound mix I bet 95% of people on this board wouldn't notice. and if they did notice, they need to chill and listen to the band more and enjoy themselves.
I challenge any pub band who says that they play every cover song 100% accurately.
If it is, I'd say it would sound shit without the Cm
(Ok, it would still sound shit with the Cm, but I take Emp's point..)