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@zepp76 I shall let you know. The other night at practice I had it up pretty loud I’d say 70% of the way so I don’t expect it to get much louder than that.
I have a closed back 2x12 and I turn it away from people so hopefully that will help. I still expect it to be too loud though. This isn’t a venue where they appreciate you being loud on stage.
IMHO you have to work out what you want to achieve and how to get it. I saw a player maxing out a Marshall stack in bar with a drummer using an electronic kit. If his goal was to look a twat and get the audience to find another bar-sorted.
So if you are looking at classic rock originally done on a 100w Marshall maxed out, then the obvious option is a lower powered amp with a 2x12 or a 1x12 combo. If that isnt satisfactory then a 100w or 50w amp needs help in a number of ways.
Vintage 30s or G30H's are 100db efficient. Greenbacks are 97db. There's a drop.
As @ICBM stated earlier an attenuator will work to a point. There's another drop.
Dont run the amp too loud and add an overdrive for higher gain sounds. Some are designed to emulate an amp.
If you amp has an effects loop run one of those volume controls in the loop.
One of the best things I did for my sound was use Tone Tubby speakers as they beam less than others. There are beam blockers or you can use tape, with varying results.
Some of the above will work some will not. My biggest amp is a 30w Bad Cat 2x12 combo and it does sound amazing but its heavy. I do a Christmas gig every year and I run it as loud as I dare with the preamps jumpered and a couple of overdrives.
Any one got to High Voltage?
When I did Kelvingrove I had a full 100w late 60s Marshall and 2 4x12s and it was cooking to keep up
Conversley in a pub gig we would ditch one of the 4x12s and run the rig in the kitchen or backroom and I would run a Laney Linebacker onstage for my own Volume as well as what went through the monitors
fast forward 20 years and I was running a dual terror or a two rock JEt struggling to be heard but keep the stage volume down
Enter the Helix, exit the amp
Now with 4 independent Monitor Mixes I can give myself a ton of guitar without blowing the audience or my band mates away but still enjoy the gig
Everyone else can select how much they like and FOH is nice and consistent.
Do I miss the ‘amp onstage sound’?
after the first song I forgot all about it and just enjoyed being able to hear myself
I get the headroom of a 100W valve amp and the thump in my chest from the monitor without the weight noise or other hassle
If I was doing a big festival like that again I might wheel out the hardware but probably not as long as I was sure the monitoring was sufficient
An Orange dual terror was always loud enough for me on 15 Watts. Not sure why it seemed “louder”.
How do you get a balanced sound on stage if amps aren’t lined out though.
I like the idea of trying to get what a loud amp dies without the weight!
Good find, that.
I had a Matchless Lightning 2x12 combo ,supposedly 15 w but it slaughtered a bandmates 50w Plexi
running through a 2x12 ;the thing was brutal
A well sorted AC30 can be incredibly loud and painful ........the 30w is no indication of volume
Conversely I have a Pleximan which has a 5w and 50w setting........other than the obvious headroom on the clean channel there isn't much volume difference between the 5w and the 50w
I have found that small amps can run out of steam sometimes but I wouldn't want to lug a 4x12 around let alone two.
The idea of using a modeller and not lugging heavy valve amps around does have some appeal I have heard good sounds from modellers though in my head the jury is still out as to whether it's for me or not.
I had a Peavey with an EL84. Great sounding wee amp. Didn't gig it, but replaced the output tube annually. That's why I sold it on. My main amp is a 50w Sound City. I play it on "4" and only changed the tubes at a service 6 years ago because I didn't want to rely on the installed Mullards that had been in it for over 40 years, even though I had no issues with them.
What i I will say is that I think at volume it’s an astonishingly good pedal platform. What is interesting is how little I ended up using fuzz, I got most of my tones from my Broadcast and Peacekeeper which have both never sounded better with me.
I bought my JTM in the hope of one day gigging it so it really is good to hear it stands up well in that environment, I already use an attenuator with it or I can use the installed PPIMV to keep the volume down so not a problem there. How did you find the bass side of things? I know these amps can be a bit bass heavy, also what speakers did you use? Sorry for all the questions but I haven't come across anyone gigging these amps before so I'm really interested in how people are using them.
Not a big venue, but not a small one either. I was stood in front of the stage, and the overall sound was very balanced. None of the instruments were over powering. The guitars sat well in the mix.
As the amps were facing the back wall, I'm not sure how much of the amp the guitar players heard coming from behind them. As a punter, I just heard everything through the PA speakers which sounded pretty good.
The bass player did have his amp facing the audience.
Gigging wise it’s a great choice of amp. It was loud on stage which was the struggle. At first I turned the cab backwards but the. I didn’t hear myself quite as well (I am going to switch to an open back cab to fix this). The sweet spot on the amp with a Semi guitar is probably 50/70% up on the volume. At that point you get that lovely break up. Unfortunately I couldn’t play it at that volume last night. It engulfed the stage. But, it wasn’t that much of a problem as the pedals really do sound great through the amp. I’d say they sound better through this than they do any other amp I’ve tried. As a pedal platform it is great which I suppose makes it a great gigging amp.
Bass wise it wasnt a problem at all at all because I turn the bass off, the presence on 4 and have all others on full (excluding volume). I also jumper the inputs so I plug into the top left and use a patch from top right to bottom left. That gives the best sound to my damaged ears.