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I think you want to continue the debate from the other thread in here don't you. Sorry I'm not going to play your game. I will debate the cost of pedals in the other thread, not in this one.
I do think some pedal makers take existing designs, make as small a change as practicable, and sell them for inflated prices using industry-standard buzzwords. All fur coat and no knickers. Not every pedal maker, but a significant number.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
i have a lot time for rainger, empress, chase bliss, moog (moogerfooger) meris, pigtronix, mwfx to name a few.
all these build pedals that are more than just copy cat.. basically I think I like to avoid any company that knocks out ods, fuzz and muff, claiming each is the guitar equivalent of the 2nd coming.
It seems as if pedal builders are expected to do little more than build a standard circuit and put it into an enclosure with an original paint scheme. As long as someone has bought the bits and pieces separately and not in a single pack of parts then everyone is happy.
Surely some overdrive, fuzz or distortion pedal builders out there can lay claim to be doing original work, and who don't rely on rehashing some standard circuit that has been around for decades?
As long as people are aware of what they are spending their money on then it's no harm no foul in my book. The problem is so many folk don't seem to realise this, but whose fault is that?
Not that many, in the drive pedal arena, I don't think.
It'd be really interesting to compile a list of original designs.
By the way, @Danny1969 , I think op amps are flippin' awesome. It's like building an amp for dummies. I remember building amps with transistors, when I was being trained in electronics, then learning about op amps . It was a revelation.
From the very outset I wanted to produce pedals that have not been released into the marketplace before, If i was going to do it I would do it properly...but this presents problem in that guitarists are notoriously conservative on the whole and as such new circuits are often eyed with suspicion.
so to ensure we could sell product, the pedals have a sonic footprint, space, influence in mind that I can refer to... i.e. it sounds a bit like a big muff.... etc etc.
The reality is though, that description is just the beginning, with every one of my circuits they go further than stuff that's already out there, they do things that others don't and they are done to meet my needs.... i.e. I'm a really fussy bugger.
For example the Fallout Cloud was designed to meet a sonic goal... but its a new circuit. The peacekeeper was designed to cover 3-4 low gainers output from one pedal..... and as such its a new circuit... and i could go on.
the reason our modulation stuff is taking so long is because i wanted to start from the ground up...... R&D takes time... indeed I'm working on a NEW heavy metal pedal and I'm finally happy with it after 5 full design changes and 4 years of tweaking it.....
so not all companies are scammers, cloners or rip off artists... some companies are trying to innovate in a saturated market and competing against people with 20-30x the annual budget.
just bare that in mind when you place a derogatory label on all small companies....
@ThorpyFX having spent 4 years developing one particular product I know exactly how time consuming it can be and how the R&D runs into thousands even if you only value your labour at minimum wage. I have boxes of veroboard prototypes that soaked the money up and pads full of re drawn schematics.
No small builder should have to explain themselves, but sometimes they have to, because other people are dishonest.
The only thing he did really differently was to make it a head and cab, and to create the first closed-back 4x12" - which *was* a true innovation, so it's fitting that it's still what Marshall is probably best known for.
Originally Leo simply lifted the circuits from RCA and other valve manufacturer's guidebooks, but pretty soon he evolved them to get better performance, and the results were unique to Fender.
Exactly.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/morgan-nkt275-fuzz-proven-to-be-fake.1993605/