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get him out of here...
I suppose that ending is equivalent to a penalty shoot out - I can recall it once on a county match - Not in an international
I watched it all - And i suppose you need to buy into the build up that makes the last one hour so good - It could have gone either way
Total credit to both teams - What with the extra 4 over throws when it hit Stokes's bat - No dissent etc
Won't mean anything to them now, but NZ can walk away with total credit
If we had beaten Aus or India in this way then more 'gloating' from us I dare say - But you can't gloat after that performance from NZ - That is what made it so good in many ways
Both teams will share a few beers now and build some good friendship of the match/moment for many years
Hope the good lady is doing okay !!!!
Obviously delighted England won, but the umpires had a big call there and 3rd umpire to call on but still got it wrong.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
I'll get my coat.
19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder
If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be
any runs for penalties awarded to either side
and the allowance for the boundary
and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had
already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.
Law 18.12.2 (Batsman returning to wicket he/she has left) shall apply as from the instant of the throw or act.
In the footage online it's clear that Stokes & Rashid had not crossed at the point that the NZ fielder threw the ball so it should have been 5 runs not 6.
I've had a copy of MCC Masterclass for 30 years and would read the laws after matches if something occurred I wasn't sure about. I got to know them pretty well.
The law in my version is 19.5 so they have been updated in that time but it still applies the same.
I think the umpires discussed it at the time but for whatever reason did not check if they had crossed.
There is some debate here at work on whether this applies due to the deflection from Stokes' bat, did the ball cross the boundary due to the bowlers wilful act or due to the deflection?
There was a delay while the umpires conferred but I reckon they were focussing on the Stokes deflection and the award of the 4 boundary runs rather than the 2 "running" runs.
A final that will go down in history as legendary and will be watched, discussed and debated for years to come. Incredible.
17 days to The Ashes
This.
Fun as yesterday was, it wasn't the same tension as when Giles and Hoggard were batting in that chase against the Aussies in 2005, or the one where the Aussies fell 2 runs short.
It was a good game, but all this "greatest cricket match ever" stuff is a bit over the top. It was a one day match in coloured clothes.
I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.
I might go for Headingley '81.
There were some other classics in history as well. There was a famous one at the Oval in 1902, where the Aussies set England 263 to win. Gilbert Jessop came in with the score at 48 for 5, and hit 104 in 77 minutes. The 9th wicket went down at 248, and the last pair added 15 more to win the match.
No one day game is ever going to match up to classics like that.
1902 was waaaay before my time, so can't comment, but you're older than you look.
I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.
In any sport, people forget the great players and performances of the past.
You see it in cricket. A few years ago, various young idiots were arguing that Tendulkar was the greatest ever. Being old enough to remember Richards, he's not as good as Richards, let alone Bradman.
I follow the NFL, and I see it there too. There are a lot young journalists in their 20s and early 30s on various NFL websites, and they haven't got a clue about players from before 2000. For them, all the greatest players to have ever played are from the last 15 years. They don't seem to know that players that I can remember, like Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, ever existed. Then there are great players of the past that I can't remember - like Jim Brown and Mean Joe Greene.
I recall a SA v Australia Test Match - just checked the dates and info - March 2015 - 3rd Test - series score is one all
This match and SA can't win - Their 4th innings target is 511 - So at best a draw - They are 246-8 - Time is now their only hope - Dale Steyn comes into bat at #10 with Philander already at the crease - DS bats for 44 balls and 75 mins to hang on - They refuse nearly every single offered - There is now only around 2 or 3 overs to go and DS is out - Morkel lasts 2 balls for an Aus win - But the tension for SA to hang on was excellent - So some it is like a game of chess whereby nothing happens - But I recall this last effort as gripping
But yesterday was excellent - Some irony in that our 66 Football, 03 Rugby and 2019 CWC all required 'extra time' - all adds to the drama
Don't forget the England v Ireland one off Test at Lords 24th July.
Warm up for The Ashes, should get a look at the team selection. First international Test for Ireland isn't it?