LR Baggs Soundscape

TimmyO · January 2020

noticed this today - new doohickey from Baggs - a hardware + app tool for making a IR of your own instrument. As always the proof of the pudding will be in the thingumy, but it's a neat looking solution

Lewy · January 2020

TimmyO said:

noticed this today - new doohickey from Baggs - a hardware + app tool for making a IR of your own instrument. As always the proof of the pudding will be in the thingumy, but it's a neat looking solution

Will be interested to see the price!

Kind of like a Tonedexter, but uses (presumably) your phone’s mic instead of plugging a regular mic in.

What would be really cool is if they’ve found a way to make it sound good with something other than a UST (eg soundhole, SBT...).

TimmyO · January 2020

Lewy said:

TimmyO said:

noticed this today - new doohickey from Baggs - a hardware + app tool for making a IR of your own instrument. As always the proof of the pudding will be in the thingumy, but it's a neat looking solution

Will be interested to see the price!

Kind of like a Tonedexter, but uses (presumably) your phone’s mic instead of plugging a regular mic in.

What would be really cool is if they’ve found a way to make it sound good with something other than a UST (eg soundhole, SBT...).

yep - pretty much a similar thing to a Tonedexter but in a more luddite-friendly package.

I'd *think* that it should work with whatever pickup, given you feed it your pickup sound too and it convolves (de-convolves? I can't quite get my head around which direction it works in) alongside the phone mic signal (and presumably they allow for the shonky nature of a phone mic too)

We'll see once the Youtubers get their mitts on it I guess

TimmyO · January 2020

Looking here : https://www.lrbaggs.com/soundscape-acoustic-guitar-impulse-response-pedal it looks like as part of the process there is eq that can be appplied to the preset - high pass, low pass, 3 notches, as well as multi band eq

Lewy · January 2020

TimmyO said:

Lewy said:

TimmyO said:

noticed this today - new doohickey from Baggs - a hardware + app tool for making a IR of your own instrument. As always the proof of the pudding will be in the thingumy, but it's a neat looking solution

Will be interested to see the price!

Kind of like a Tonedexter, but uses (presumably) your phone’s mic instead of plugging a regular mic in.

What would be really cool is if they’ve found a way to make it sound good with something other than a UST (eg soundhole, SBT...).

yep - pretty much a similar thing to a Tonedexter but in a more luddite-friendly package.

I'd *think* that it should work with whatever pickup, given you feed it your pickup sound too and it convolves (de-convolves? I can't quite get my head around which direction it works in) alongside the phone mic signal (and presumably they allow for the shonky nature of a phone mic too)

We'll see once the Youtubers get their mitts on it I guess

Yeah I think the reason USTs work so much better is that the signal is more consistent (consistently shit, but consistent) ... I always hear a weird honkeyness going on when I hear Tonedexters (or any IRs) being used with something like a K&K which is more dynamic for want of a better word.

crunchman · January 2020

What's the price going to be?

I do wonder whether it would be better to go with a more generic IR pedal. The idea of being able to use acoustic and electric through same rig does appeal to me. If you have something that can have an acoustic IR and an electric IR, and switch between them easily, that would be great.

mbwhite · January 2020

Haven’t got the time to try that yet, but I’m planning to use my Hx Stomp as the heart of single system for both electric and acoustic rigs

ToneControl · January 2020

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

TimmyO · January 2020

ToneControl said:

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

The other half of capturing yourself is your pickup's output. That's what the IR has to modify, so using that as the input is probably as big a part of it as the reference mic signal

Lewy · January 2020

ToneControl said:

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

If it’s in keeping with things like the Tonedexter and even Fishman’s original Aura approach, it’s all about making your guitar sound more like itself when plugged in, as opposed to making it sound like a load of other guitar. That’s why they tend not to call it modelling.

I’f be interested in seeing how this copes with soundhole pickups. I have a couple of guitars that I don’t want to install pickups in...the prospect of being able temporarily bung a soundhole pickup in and get a realistic acoustic sound is not unappealing.

ToneControl · January 2020

TimmyO said:

ToneControl said:

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

The other half of capturing yourself is your pickup's output. That's what the IR has to modify, so using that as the input is probably as big a part of it as the reference mic signal

I'm meaning why not just capture the sound from the pickups, and try to turn that into a top-notch sound?

ToneControl · January 2020

Lewy said:

ToneControl said:

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

If it’s in keeping with things like the Tonedexter and even Fishman’s original Aura approach, it’s all about making your guitar sound more like itself when plugged in, as opposed to making it sound like a load of other guitar. That’s why they tend not to call it modelling.

I’f be interested in seeing how this copes with soundhole pickups. I have a couple of guitars that I don’t want to install pickups in...the prospect of being able temporarily bung a soundhole pickup in and get a realistic acoustic sound is not unappealing.

But your own guitar may sound OK but not great, why not supply the data to model a £10k guitar instead of something coming from an iPhone microphone?

TimmyO · January 2020

ToneControl said:

Lewy said:

ToneControl said:

what's the point of capturing your own IR?
surely they can access and record a swathe of top-end guitars in a more controlled environment and offer them as presets?

Ot does this work better with each guitarist's personal technique?
If so, is it specific to each guitar? Would I need to capture an IR for each guitar separately?

If it’s in keeping with things like the Tonedexter and even Fishman’s original Aura approach, it’s all about making your guitar sound more like itself when plugged in, as opposed to making it sound like a load of other guitar. That’s why they tend not to call it modelling.

I’f be interested in seeing how this copes with soundhole pickups. I have a couple of guitars that I don’t want to install pickups in...the prospect of being able temporarily bung a soundhole pickup in and get a realistic acoustic sound is not unappealing.

But your own guitar may sound OK but not great, why not supply the data to model a £10k guitar instead of something coming from an iPhone microphone?

That product would fail - Youtube would be full of people keen to prove it doesn't work perfectly

TimmyO · January 2020

Also before this goes too far - I'd not think you the target market

ToneControl · January 2020

TimmyO said:

Also before this goes too far - I'd not think you the target market

I like the idea of the device, but think the main offering should be preset classy upmarket guitars. Adding your own sound should be an optional extra.

How many people do their own amp profile capture with their kemper vs buying ready-made studio-quality patches?

Lewy · January 2020

ToneControl said:

TimmyO said:

Also before this goes too far - I'd not think you the target market

I like the idea of the device, but think the main offering should be preset classy upmarket guitars. Adding your own sound should be an optional extra.

How many people do their own amp profile capture with their kemper vs buying ready-made studio-quality patches?

I think you’re asking waaaay too much of the tech. Plugged in guitars using any of this stuff do not and I suspect will never sound like 10k guitars mic’d up. It’s a result to get them sounding a pretty much like any guitar mic’d up frankly.

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