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Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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The fingerings are the same but that's not where Jimmy got them (-the "CAGED system" is fairly recent in origin though those fingerings are old).
The fingerings are nice because they have no shifts.
Joe Pass used the same ones. Ron Eschete figured them out from listening to Joe Pass records"
I learnt Apache by the Shadows in A# minor because that's what the score was in the piano book. Some of those transcriptions could be really lazy.
What I have picked up over the years though is the knowledge of how every note relates in terms of intervals, not memory positions. To practice this just tune the strings away from normal pitch but still in relative pitch to each other, something like DADABD ... not for any chordal reason just because it makes the following hard. Now take a melody or solo you know really well and see if you can play it while mentally working out where the notes are now due to the different tuning of the strings.
This forces you to think of notes and intervals, not patterns and it's a very useful exercise.
As a teacher I don's use CAGE or any kind of tab. I want the student to understand what's going on using nothing but the math of music. Because i don't want to teach anything theory that's specific to guitar only.
That's interesting. So might that mean that they used the intervals of the major scale as a framework, and then adapted the intervals, as required, for other scales and chords.
In relation to CAGED I see that as:
Shapes 7(1) = E shape
Shape 2 = D shape
Shape 3 = C shape
Shape 5 = A shape
Shape 6 = G shape
I tend to think of 6th string root note shapes are G and E, 5th string root note shapes are C and A, 4th string are D and top 4 strings of full E shape, 3rd string root note shapes are A and G, 2nd string root note shapes are D and C.
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I spent years being misinformed about CAGED and not really getting it and then just researched it a ton until it all clicked. It's such a comprehensive system and is brilliant because of the layering idea. However, I would be lying if I said I only used CAGED, sure I use it but I also use 3NPS, intervallic stuff etc.....
You mention modes a bit later on in your post, I didn't really cover them in the video (at least not that I remember!) as I thought that might just overcomplicate things. But as you say they can be incorporated into CAGED by just thinking of the major or minor pentatonic, depending on whether it's a major or minor mode, and then adding the notes specific to that mode.
And yes totally agree that CAGED is flexible and adaptable.
Cheers!
I originally thought of the minor pentatonics as being created by shifting the major pentatonics up by three frets. For some reason I started by thinking in relation to major pentatonics first, but I think a lot of players think minor pentatonic first, in which case you could create a major sound by shifting the minor pentatonic patterns three frets lower.
For my reference points, I focus on the relative positions of the root notes. If the relative positions of the root notes look like they do in an open C chord then I call that a C shape. If the relative positions of the root notes look like they do in an open A chord then I call that an A shape etc. This applies whether it's major or minor, which gets around the problems I used to have in knowing how to apply CAGED to minor chords and scales.
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If you want to limit yourself to playing the kind of music that requires no detailed in-depth study then good for you, but that doesn't mean that people who don't want such limitation are guilty of overthinking on any scale.
Cobain made some wonderful stuff using a collection of ham-fisted power chords (that intro to Lithium with that vocal line over the top !) - but by the same token Mike Stern doesn't seem to have been hamstrung by the rules of theory as regards his creativity - and in his case knowing the how and why of soloing over diminished chords is probably a useful skill to have.
Dunno.. I'm still trying to figure all this out myself.