Diesel cars (toxic tax) announced

ICBM

Sporky said:

I'm pretty sure my next will be petrol or electric.

If it's petrol it'll almost certainly pollute more than my current diesel. Because it'll use a lot of petrol.

That depends what you mean by pollute. CO2 - yes. NOx and particulates, no.

Sporky

I'm sure there are additives I can apply.

And by then the same people who are currently hysterical about diesel will have moved on to emotional attacks on petrol, or whistling, or words with more than four syllables.

ICBM

Sporky said:

I'm sure there are additives I can apply.

Putting some diesel in it usually works .

Sporky

Good call!

My mileage is at the point where diesel is worth it, and I don't drive in towns much, but in four years (at a guess when I'll next change), I reckon the choice will have swung and there'll be some decent petrol options for me.

Axe_meister

There are good petrol options available today. Your average new 1l turbo cars produce 120bhp and quite happily cruise along on a motorway doing 50mpg in quite large cars.
I did 52mpg London to Southampton without particularly trying and the car is rated at 53mpg.
Not that long ago 50mpg was considered good in a diesel

Haych

Axe_meister said:

There are good petrol options available today. Your average new 1l turbo cars produce 120bhp and quite happily cruise along on a motorway doing 50mpg in quite large cars.
I did 52mpg London to Southampton without particularly trying and the car is rated at 53mpg.
Not that long ago 50mpg was considered good in a diesel

What you say is true but I wonder about the longevity of these small, high power petrol engines, especially ones that are fitted to large vehicles.  VW fitted their Sharan with a 1.2 Super+Turbo engine, I think - personally I wouldn't want to buy one used.  And while steady cruising might achieve good MPG, what happens under urban driving conditions when you have a tiny engine in a fat-ass car?

Axe_meister

Haych said:

Axe_meister said:

There are good petrol options available today. Your average new 1l turbo cars produce 120bhp and quite happily cruise along on a motorway doing 50mpg in quite large cars.
I did 52mpg London to Southampton without particularly trying and the car is rated at 53mpg.
Not that long ago 50mpg was considered good in a diesel

What you say is true but I wonder about the longevity of these small, high power petrol engines, especially ones that are fitted to large vehicles.  VW fitted their Sharan with a 1.2 Super+Turbo engine, I think - personally I wouldn't want to buy one used.  And while steady cruising might achieve good MPG, what happens under urban driving conditions when you have a tiny engine in a fat-ass car?

I can compare last years 1.6Diesel Civic and this years 1.0l Petrol. as I've had both.
The 1.0L is quite a low revving lump gives better fuel economy that the diesel around town, and never feels like
it is struggling

Sporky

Axe_meister said:

There are good petrol options available today.

I'm not aware of a small, quick, petrol 4x4 estate with decent ground clearance under £30k. If there had been, I'd have bought one.

There are at least 3 diesel ones, so I bought one of those.