I have just realised that my media of choice is Biased McBiased Face

fields5069

Maybe not just realised, but for some reason I thought Radio 4 may be more immune to the BBC/Government circlejerk. Probably just my naivety.

On "This Morning" they were analysing TM's worker/employment proposals, and basically jizzing all over them. I mean, it's great that she thinks I should be able to take a year off unpaid, to care for a sick parent or child, but I also quite like other luxuries, like food and lodging. Idiot.

Garthy

As opposed to taking a year off and struggling to get your job back?

fields5069

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

Garthy

fields5069 said:

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

How so, is there a stipulation that it's for the 40% tax bracket or something? 

Drew_TNBD

I wish all you political types would just go and David Carradine yourselves.

bloodandtears

Garthy said:

fields5069 said:

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

How so, is there a stipulation that it's for the 40% tax bracket or something? 

I assume its a reference to affordability.. not exclusivity

ICBM

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

Drew_TNBD

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

fields5069

Garthy said:

fields5069 said:

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

How so, is there a stipulation that it's for the 40% tax bracket or something? 

Are you playing Devil's Advocate? If so, fair enough. How many people do you know who could take up to a year off unpaid? It's not a bad policy, but it does seem a bit of a throwaway. Every company I've been employed by already has a flexible policy on sabbaticals, and I do know people who have taken advantage of these policies. On the other hand, parts of the company where people are on lower wages (CS, retail) will, I would suggest, have a lower incidence of sabbatical-taking. I don't know anyone who has taken a sabbatical who would have a mortgage and children to support.

fields5069

Drew_TNBD said:

I wish all you political types would just go and David Carradine yourselves.

I'm 47 and eleven twelfths and have just become "political", though for me "human" and "political" mean pretty much the same thing. I'm just kicking myself that it has taken this long.

fields5069

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

thomasw88

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

oldish article here - although there are others: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-myth

Drew_TNBD

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit. 

Garthy

fields5069 said:

Garthy said:

fields5069 said:

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

How so, is there a stipulation that it's for the 40% tax bracket or something? 

Are you playing Devil's Advocate? If so, fair enough. How many people do you know who could take up to a year off unpaid? It's not a bad policy, but it does seem a bit of a throwaway. Every company I've been employed by already has a flexible policy on sabbaticals, and I do know people who have taken advantage of these policies. On the other hand, parts of the company where people are on lower wages (CS, retail) will, I would suggest, have a lower incidence of sabbatical-taking. I don't know anyone who has taken a sabbatical who would have a mortgage and children to support.

How many do you know could afford to take a year off and not have a job to go back to?

Drew_TNBD

thomasw88 said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

oldish article here - although there are others: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-myth

LOL!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!

"There is no left wing bias at the BBC" - Owen Jones via The Guardian

I know... I know... attacking the character/reputation is just a logical fallacy, but that shit is too funnyyyy!!

Fretwired

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit. 

Corbyn earns £137K per annum (he's leader of the opposition) plus he has a gold plated pension (he'll have a £1 million pension pot by now), lives in a multi-million pound home which makes him a millionaire.

The term millionaire is overused .. a millionaire in the early 1900s would be a billionaire today. There are lots more millionaires these days due to property values.

fields5069

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit. 

Really? I go home and am then not available for any work bullshit until the following morning. I guess some people have a different experience, in which case they should be looking at redressing the employee/employer relationship. I wasn't advocating revolution, I was pointing out that working as an MP or opposition leader is the way to effect change.

fields5069

Garthy said:

fields5069 said:

Garthy said:

fields5069 said:

the point is that, whilst it's welcome, it is very definitely for "the few".

How so, is there a stipulation that it's for the 40% tax bracket or something? 

Are you playing Devil's Advocate? If so, fair enough. How many people do you know who could take up to a year off unpaid? It's not a bad policy, but it does seem a bit of a throwaway. Every company I've been employed by already has a flexible policy on sabbaticals, and I do know people who have taken advantage of these policies. On the other hand, parts of the company where people are on lower wages (CS, retail) will, I would suggest, have a lower incidence of sabbatical-taking. I don't know anyone who has taken a sabbatical who would have a mortgage and children to support.

How many do you know could afford to take a year off and not have a job to go back to?

That's the point - people in this bracket generally work for companies with flexible policies on sabbaticals.

Drew_TNBD

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit. 

Corbyn earns £137K per annum (he's leader of the opposition) plus he has a gold plated pension (he'll have a £1 million pension pot by now), lives in a multi-million pound home which makes him a millionaire.

The term millionaire is overused .. a millionaire in the early 1900s would be a billionaire today.

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

​April 2016	- ​£74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

Fretwired

fields5069 said:

Maybe not just realised, but for some reason I thought Radio 4 may be more immune to the BBC/Government circlejerk. Probably just my naivety.

On "This Morning" they were analysing TM's worker/employment proposals, and basically jizzing all over them. I mean, it's great that she thinks I should be able to take a year off unpaid, to care for a sick parent or child, but I also quite like other luxuries, like food and lodging. Idiot.

What's your problem? I know people who decided to take time off to care for a sick child or parent. I think it's a decent proposal for people to be able to care for a dying relative whilst having the chance to return to their job. It's personal choice - not everyone can afford to do it. Decent proposal but just rant away .. your poster boy Corbyn can't even add up. He should be on TV with Stephen Hawking .. he at least knows quite a bit about block holes.

fields5069

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit. 

Corbyn earns £137K per annum (he's leader of the opposition) plus he has a gold plated pension (he'll have a £1 million pension pot by now), lives in a multi-million pound home which makes him a millionaire.

The term millionaire is overused .. a millionaire in the early 1900s would be a billionaire today.

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

​April 2016	- ​£74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

Leader of the opposition gets a top-up.

Consider this though - an MP gets £75k and works long hours. Corbyn gets nearly twice as much but is probably always available. In a similar vein, my CEO gets £1 million before bonuses, which equated to £5 million last year.