I have just realised that my media of choice is Biased McBiased Face

fields5069 · May 2017

Fretwired said:

fields5069 said:

Maybe not just realised, but for some reason I thought Radio 4 may be more immune to the BBC/Government circlejerk. Probably just my naivety.

On "This Morning" they were analysing TM's worker/employment proposals, and basically jizzing all over them. I mean, it's great that she thinks I should be able to take a year off unpaid, to care for a sick parent or child, but I also quite like other luxuries, like food and lodging. Idiot.

What's your problem? I know people who decided to take time off to care for a sick child or parent. I think it's a decent proposal for people to be able to care for a dying relative whilst having the chance to return to their job. It's personal choice - not everyone can afford to do it. Decent proposal but just rant away .. your poster boy Corbyn can't even add up. He should be on TV with Stephen Hawking .. he at least knows quite a bit about block holes.

How do you mean, he can't add up? I presume you're referring to the draft manifesto? I'm genuinely interested, I don't want this to turn nasty and simply want some discourse on the matter.

I think I said what my problem was. I'm frustrated that I can't find unbiased news. But also the policy seems to be a bit of a throwaway. I can't say it's a bad idea, it just immediately felt like a policy which further underlines the uneven employer/employee relationship, and the culture of obligation.

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit.

Really? I go home and am then not available for any work bullshit until the following morning. I guess some people have a different experience, in which case they should be looking at redressing the employee/employer relationship. I wasn't advocating revolution, I was pointing out that working as an MP or opposition leader is the way to effect change.

Even in the case where you go home and you're not available for any work bullshit till the following morning... you're still spending on average 37 hours a week. That's around 160 hours a month. Let's say you get 8 hours sleep five nights a week, that's 173 hours a month. That's 333 hours where you are either working or resting so you can work the next day. There are 730 hours in a month. 333 is a significant chunk of that. So is 160. Certainly most people spend the vast majority of their time thinking about work, doing work, recovering from work, and sleeping.

As for working as an MP or opposition leader... it is the way to affect change. Which is why it's so galling that Corbyn has been so garbage at it.

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit.

Corbyn earns £137K per annum (he's leader of the opposition) plus he has a gold plated pension (he'll have a £1 million pension pot by now), lives in a multi-million pound home which makes him a millionaire.

The term millionaire is overused .. a millionaire in the early 1900s would be a billionaire today.

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

Leader of the opposition gets a top-up.

Consider this though - an MP gets £75k and works long hours. Corbyn gets nearly twice as much but is probably always available. In a similar vein, my CEO gets £1 million before bonuses, which equated to £5 million last year.

Most people do a job with excessive hours and huge responsibilities because they tend to love it and want to do it. I'm thinking teachers, nurses, firemen, policemen, etc...

And actually MP's should not be working excessive hours. It's that kind of thing that helps to separate them from the rest of us. Reduce the workload, don't push people to the brink because they make mistakes and become sociopathic.

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

And now I'm going to take a belt into the cupboard and think about what I've done.

Garthy · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

And now I'm going to take a belt into the cupboard and think about what I've done.

You're going to have a deathwank???

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

Garthy said:

Drew_TNBD said:

And now I'm going to take a belt into the cupboard and think about what I've done.

You're going to have a deathwank???

Gonna try! I've already failed several times this week though. I don't expect it will go well.

Fretwired · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

And as leader of the opposition he gets an additional salary payment of £58K

fields5069 · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

ICBM said:

I realised a while ago why the BBC political department is so pro-May and anti-Corbyn now.

It's because they're still New Labour Blair/Mandelson-loving champagne socialists.

Consequently they hate Corbyn and everything he stands for. Also by some sort of perverse logic, since New Labour was really a Tory-lite party with red ties, they think May's Tory party is closer to that than either Corbyn's Labour or Farron's Lib Dems.

It completely explains their biased reporting on Scottish Independence - bear in mind Blair set up the Scottish Parliament precisely to (as he thought) kill off the demand for independence - the EU referendum, parliamentary business in general, and now the election.

How is Corbyn not a champagne socialist? The guy earns just under 80K a year (suspiciously he's under his own threshold for tax hikes!) and lives his life in government. That man of the people schtick he runs is baloney.

Is there another way to gain control over a country, apart from revolution? Revolution would never work in such an apathetic country such as ours.

There have been protests, marches, etc., but you have to look to other areas of Europe to see passion en masse. So the political system really is the only way to effect change. When your work becomes your life, I think £75k is a fair wage.

Work is everyone's lives!! £75K for being an ineffective opposition leader... someone is getting robbed!

Revolution is childish bullshit.

Corbyn earns £137K per annum (he's leader of the opposition) plus he has a gold plated pension (he'll have a £1 million pension pot by now), lives in a multi-million pound home which makes him a millionaire.

The term millionaire is overused .. a millionaire in the early 1900s would be a billionaire today.

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

Leader of the opposition gets a top-up.

Consider this though - an MP gets £75k and works long hours. Corbyn gets nearly twice as much but is probably always available. In a similar vein, my CEO gets £1 million before bonuses, which equated to £5 million last year.

Most people do a job with excessive hours and huge responsibilities because they tend to love it and want to do it. I'm thinking teachers, nurses, firemen, policemen, etc...

And actually MP's should not be working excessive hours. It's that kind of thing that helps to separate them from the rest of us. Reduce the workload, don't push people to the brink because they make mistakes and become sociopathic.

I would hope they're doing something they love though, a calling more than a job. That's certainly the case with my MP, Paul Flynn. He's 82, his mind is still razor-sharp, and he wants to be re-elected because he has so many causes he's still fighting for. How do you switch off if you genuinely believe you are doing something so valuable to the rest of us?

Snap · May 2017

I think the mainstream media coverage so far has been poor - definitely not even handed or without bias. So I don't watch it or listen to it, or read it.

Corbyn is full of shit. He is nothing like the "working class" heroes he pretends to empathise with. The bloke is from a very priveleged upbringing and is sitting on a nice pension which he will be drawing very soon, whilst enjoyinglife in his lovely home. He went to a boys only selective grammar school that offers boarding.

Not only is Corbym full of shit, he is propped up by jumped up little idiots like Owen Jones & Co, and has a shadow cabinet full of some of the most noteworthy incapably berks known to politics: Diane Abbott and John McDonnell.

Marxist states have been responsible for some of the most horrendous inequality and torment. They advocate this stuff, they really do.

The other parties are marginally less useless, but really, can anyone with true sense seriously believe that the modern day labour party is the right choice for a government?

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

Do their expenses go towards how much tax they end up paying?

Fretwired · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

Do their expenses go towards how much tax they end up paying?

No - I left off the £58K salary hike for being leader of the opposition.

thomasw88 · May 2017

Snap said:

I think the mainstream media coverage so far has been poor - definitely not even handed or without bias. So I don't watch it or listen to it, or read it.

Corbyn is full of shit. He is nothing like the "working class" heroes he pretends to empathise with. The bloke is from a very priveleged upbringing and is sitting on a nice pension which he will be drawing very soon, whilst enjoyinglife in his lovely home. He went to a boys only selective grammar school that offers boarding.

Not only is Corbym full of shit, he is propped up by jumped up little idiots like Owen Jones & Co, and has a shadow cabinet full of some of the most noteworthy incapably berks known to politics: Diane Abbott and John McDonnell.

Marxist states have been responsible for some of the most horrendous inequality and torment. They advocate this stuff, they really do.

The other parties are marginally less useless, but really, can anyone with true sense seriously believe that the modern day labour party is the right choice for a government?

Then on the other hand you've got mini me thatcher and BORIS..

fields5069 · May 2017

Snap said:

I think the mainstream media coverage so far has been poor - definitely not even handed or without bias. So I don't watch it or listen to it, or read it.

Corbyn is full of shit. He is nothing like the "working class" heroes he pretends to empathise with. The bloke is from a very priveleged upbringing and is sitting on a nice pension which he will be drawing very soon, whilst enjoyinglife in his lovely home. He went to a boys only selective grammar school that offers boarding.

Not only is Corbym full of shit, he is propped up by jumped up little idiots like Owen Jones & Co, and has a shadow cabinet full of some of the most noteworthy incapably berks known to politics: Diane Abbott and John McDonnell.

Marxist states have been responsible for some of the most horrendous inequality and torment. They advocate this stuff, they really do.

The other parties are marginally less useless, but really, can anyone with true sense seriously believe that the modern day labour party is the right choice for a government?

How many true Marxist states have existed? I don't know of any true communist states, and must admit I don't know the difference between the 2.

Snap · May 2017

@thomasw88 - yeah, I know. The frustration is that the whole lot are poor. There are parts of the Labour manifesto I really like, same with the other parties. But the big achilles heel in Labour is two fold: the leadership (as in most of the cabinet) and their hardcore socialist and unionlist leanings. The latter two don't work, not in hard form. Socialism and to a lesser degree unionism work when in moderation and are counter balanced with more central politics.

In fact, I'd go further and say that Trade Unions have been largely supplanted by employment law. We don't need this class warfare bullshit either, its regressive and outdated. We should aim to be better than the sort of people who use class labels to create divides.

Everyone has a shit. All the rest is just divisive bullshit.

fields5069 · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

Do their expenses go towards how much tax they end up paying?

The staffing is an allowance, i.e. covers the wages of your assistants I believe, but let's face it if you are smart and your partner is out of a job then you may end up paying them to be an assistant, so your household income could be quite handsome.

57Deluxe · May 2017

In Zero-Hours-World, the concept of taking a year off and expecting all your job status back is preposterous - even if you are LBGGTXYZ

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

Do their expenses go towards how much tax they end up paying?

The staffing is an allowance, i.e. covers the wages of your assistants I believe, but let's face it if you are smart and your partner is out of a job then you may end up paying them to be an assistant, so your household income could be quite handsome.

Gotta love dat nepotism.

fields5069 · May 2017

Drew_TNBD said:

fields5069 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

Fretwired said:

Drew_TNBD said:

I'm going on this figure stated here:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Pages/default.aspx

April 2016 - £74,962

Where do you get your figure from?

I was including expenses ... I found 2016 figures on Govt website

Salary £73,284
Staffing £132,129
Office £16,171

Do their expenses go towards how much tax they end up paying?

The staffing is an allowance, i.e. covers the wages of your assistants I believe, but let's face it if you are smart and your partner is out of a job then you may end up paying them to be an assistant, so your household income could be quite handsome.

Gotta love dat nepotism.

I'm assuming/hoping that they are vetted or interviewed for the position by someone independent, and that there are standard salaries for the assistant positions. i.e. you can't pay your partner £140k and get away with it. It does make sense in a way, who else is going to stay up past their bedtime to help you carry out your duties?

Drew_TNBD · May 2017

fields5069 said:

Snap said:

I think the mainstream media coverage so far has been poor - definitely not even handed or without bias. So I don't watch it or listen to it, or read it.

Corbyn is full of shit. He is nothing like the "working class" heroes he pretends to empathise with. The bloke is from a very priveleged upbringing and is sitting on a nice pension which he will be drawing very soon, whilst enjoyinglife in his lovely home. He went to a boys only selective grammar school that offers boarding.

Not only is Corbym full of shit, he is propped up by jumped up little idiots like Owen Jones & Co, and has a shadow cabinet full of some of the most noteworthy incapably berks known to politics: Diane Abbott and John McDonnell.

Marxist states have been responsible for some of the most horrendous inequality and torment. They advocate this stuff, they really do.

The other parties are marginally less useless, but really, can anyone with true sense seriously believe that the modern day labour party is the right choice for a government?

How many true Marxist states have existed? I don't know of any true communist states, and must admit I don't know the difference between the 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states#Marxist.E2.80.93Leninist

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jellyroll · May 2017

Snap said:

I think the mainstream media coverage so far has been poor - definitely not even handed or without bias. So I don't watch it or listen to it, or read it.

Without wishing to appear pedantic....

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