Horrific Vintage Guitars.....

Strat54

Sometimes I'm just lost for words with the basket cases for sale.....

https://reverb.com/item/11413741-fender-telecaster-1958-sunburst

A '58 with rosewood board and binding? What the heck?

https://reverb.com/item/11397547-fender-telecaster-1952-natural-linc-chamberland

Again, lost for words. Who would buy these?

WezV

Love the use of capitals in that first listing.

Strat54

Should read....

Again, I am not claiming this is a 1958 Tele!!

Funkfingers

The first one looks for all the world like American and German hardware on the body of one MIJ guitar and the neck of another. I see nothing in the photographs to substantiate 1958.

The second one seems to check out - assuming that somebody out there is a big enough fan of LC to desire his old guitar.


EDIT: The grain in the body wood resembles Japanese Sen rather more than American White/Light/Swamp Ash. Differentiating between ash family woods is academic because a 1958 Telecaster ought to be Alder. The chips in the finish are as you would expect to find in urethane rather than nitro-cellulose. 

SteveRobinson

Strat54 said:

https://reverb.com/item/11397547-fender-telecaster-1952-natural-linc-chamberland

Again, lost for words. Who would buy these?

Only Linc Chamberland's (who he?) biggest fan.

Funkfingers

SteveRobinson said:

Only Linc Chamberland's (who he?) biggest fan.

According to an article on t'Interweb, the mongrel Fender had been acquired by one of LC's last guitar students. There is no telling where the guitar has been in the thirty years since Chamberland died.

impmann

They look like the sort of thing Music Outlet in Germany would have in stock...

Funkfingers

^
A thousand wizzes.

ICBM

The second one is. Even MOS wouldn't try to sell something as completely wrongly described as the first one - they do actually know their stuff, they just choose to advertise some of the worst-hacked basket cases in all of the guitar world for ludicrous prices...

As already said the first one is a MIJ Fender with changed hardware and a non-original pencil 'date'.

The second one most likely was hacked by Mr. Chamberland, since I can't actually imagine anyone doing that to a guitar after about 1980. Unless he's much more famous than I know, it seems wildly overpriced as well, regardless of what the body and neck originally were.

Moominpapa

Appropriate original owner for the second one. "Hmm this guitar needs more chamber. Now, where did I put my chisel ..."

Sesh

When I see back jobs like the second one it makes me feel so much better about my own botches.

Phil_aka_Pip

the "1952" one contains so much Gibbo hardware that I'm surprised he didn't trade it for a real Gibbo.

Sporky

I like how the second one is described as "Very Good" condition.

I like that a lot.

ICBM

Phil_aka_Pip said:

the "1952" one contains so much Gibbo hardware that I'm surprised he didn't trade it for a real Gibbo.

People didn't always think like that in the 1970s. New guitars were expensive and second hand ones were relatively rarer, so It was more "this is my guitar, I want a different guitar but I can't afford one or find one cheap enough, so I'll modify mine to get what I want".

I once came across a late-60s Strat which the owner had decided to convert into a Tele Deluxe, presumably some time after 1972 - the front was completely routed out for the two humbuckers, four knobs and switch location of the Tele Deluxe, and fitted with a pickguard which was roughly the Tele Deluxe shape but also covered the lower horn like the original Strat one.

The owner wanted me to restore it by filling the holes and re-routing, and refinishing in a solid colour. I thought it was fairly pointless since the work had actually been done quite well, and the result was very much 'of its time' and quite cool in its own way. I never did get the job, so either he left it or someone else had a go...

Strat54

Funny how the '52 was actually described on all his fan sites as a 1953! 

impmann

ICBM said:

Phil_aka_Pip said:

the "1952" one contains so much Gibbo hardware that I'm surprised he didn't trade it for a real Gibbo.

People didn't always think like that in the 1970s. New guitars were expensive and second hand ones were relatively rarer, so It was more "this is my guitar, I want a different guitar but I can't afford one or find one cheap enough, so I'll modify mine to get what I want".

I once came across a late-60s Strat which the owner had decided to convert into a Tele Deluxe, presumably some time after 1972 - the front was completely routed out for the two humbuckers, four knobs and switch location of the Tele Deluxe, and fitted with a pickguard which was roughly the Tele Deluxe shape but also covered the lower horn like the original Strat one.

The owner wanted me to restore it by filling the holes and re-routing, and refinishing in a solid colour. I thought it was fairly pointless since the work had actually been done quite well, and the result was very much 'of its time' and quite cool in its own way. I never did get the job, so either he left it or someone else had a go...

This.

Look at John Oates' Strat...

guitars4you

hard to pass any positive comments - 1/2 the price and I still could not get excited whatsoever - said before, it is easier to sell a nice vintage guitar for 50K then a bad example at £20K - can't see any sensible value in these in parts - total mish mash

Hattigol

guitars4you said:

hard to pass any positive comments - 1/2 the price and I still could not get excited whatsoever - said before, it is easier to sell a nice vintage guitar for 50K then a bad example at £20K - can't see any sensible value in these in parts - total mish mash

I'm not even sure I could get excited if this turned up unexpectedly as a free gift in a McDonalds Happy Meal.....

Strat54

How about a '53 Tele that was altered so much that they restored it with complete new veneers both front and back? Great....you couldn't make this stuff up, its not like they are a few grand anymore. Its £10k!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Fender-Telecaster-Vintage-Electric-Guitar-Ash-Tadeo-signed-neck-w-Case-/173287394990

JezWynd

Strat54 said:

How about a '53 Tele that was altered so much that they restored it with complete new veneers both front and back? Great....you couldn't make this stuff up, its not like they are a few grand anymore. Its £10k!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Fender-Telecaster-Vintage-Electric-Guitar-Ash-Tadeo-signed-neck-w-Case-/173287394990

They've treated the original body like it's a religious relic. Even the pencilled neck date looks suss. Charlatans.

Rocker

The '53 Tele looks good but is considerably overpriced IMHO. Is there actually in existence a '53 Tele that is 100% original? Hardly likely, unless it is the fabled closet find!