5% overwound pickups

hotpickups

Would you say that 5% extra winding in a humbucker pickup would make much of a difference really?

Alegree

A noticeable difference.

mart

About 5% difference I’d say.

Alegree

mart said:

About 5% difference I’d say.

Not when the wind only contributes about 50% to the overall sound of the pickup.

hotpickups

mart said:

About 5% difference I’d say.

There's always one

hotpickups

Sometimes I just feel it's marketing bullshit preying on our tone quests etc

Alegree

hotpickups said:

Sometimes I just feel it's marketing bullshit preying on our tone quests etc

I don't have anything to gain by lying about it. Why would you believe one of the two variables that go into the tone creation of a pickup won't cause a tonal change when changed?

No one who's got experience is going to say a 8K pickup sounds like an 8.6k pickup (which is approximately 5% more winds).

hotpickups

Alegree said:

hotpickups said:

Sometimes I just feel it's marketing bullshit preying on our tone quests etc

I don't have anything to gain by lying about it. Why would you believe one of the two variables that go into the tone creation of a pickup won't cause a tonal change when changed?

No one who's got experience is going to say a 8K pickup sounds like an 8.6k pickup (which is approximately 5% more winds).

So it does make a difference? More hot?

normula1

I think it's more of a tone change rather than output per se as that is quite dependent on pickup height. I've an old Schaller that's only about 7.5k in resistance but blows what are supposedly hotter pickups out of the water.

richardhomer

mart said:

About 5% difference I’d say.

Only visited this thread to say that....

paulnb57

I have a BK Sinner simgle coil at the bridge in one of my Strats, listed at 21.5k (!) it's nothing like those figures suggest...it's everything a trad Strat bridge pickup isn't, which is why I like it!

thegummy

paulnb57 said:

I have a BK Sinner simgle coil at the bridge in one of my Strats, listed at 21.5k (!) it's nothing like those figures suggest...it's everything a trad Strat bridge pickup isn't, which is why I like it!

So it's not even a guitar pickup? Weird to have that in there...

jpfamps

A 5% increase in output will be inaudible, however as a pickup is a resonant circuit, so it's possible that the resonant peak will have changed.

Alegree

hotpickups said:

Alegree said:

hotpickups said:

Sometimes I just feel it's marketing bullshit preying on our tone quests etc

I don't have anything to gain by lying about it. Why would you believe one of the two variables that go into the tone creation of a pickup won't cause a tonal change when changed?

No one who's got experience is going to say a 8K pickup sounds like an 8.6k pickup (which is approximately 5% more winds).

So it does make a difference? More hot?

Yes it makes a difference. 

Higher output, drives an amp into distortion earlier, more compression, a fuller mid range and attenuated treble. I'd say 5% is probably about the minimal level where you'd notice the change, so it wouldn't be significant. But as I said before, noticeable.

thermionic

richardhomer said:

mart said:

About 5% difference I’d say.

Only visited this thread to say that....

Well, you’re wrong - it’s only 2.5%

Funkfingers

Alegree said:
drives an amp into distortion earlier, more compression, a fuller mid range and attenuated treble.

P90 users, take note! 

Alegree said:

No one who's got experience is going to say a 8K pickup sounds like an 8.6k pickup (which is approximately 5% more winds).

Dumb but necessary question: Is the overwinding percentage an expression of the increase in d.c. resistance or of the number of turns around the bobbin? 

Alegree

Funkfingers said:

Alegree said:
drives an amp into distortion earlier, more compression, a fuller mid range and attenuated treble.

P90 users, take note! 

Alegree said:

No one who's got experience is going to say a 8K pickup sounds like an 8.6k pickup (which is approximately 5% more winds).

Dumb but necessary question: Is the overwinding percentage an expression of the increase in d.c. resistance or of the number of turns around the bobbin? 

I'm assuming as it's overwinding  we're relating it to the wind count

axisus

overwound, underwound, Wombling free ........


I only came here to say that.

thermionic

Making good use of the things that we wind
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

thegummy

axisus said:

overwound, underwound, Wombling free ........


I only came here to say that.

hotpickups

thermionic said:

Making good use of the things that we wind
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

Are you guys winding me up