Roland / Boss Nextone - new amp line

57Deluxe

surely there is only so much 'new' ss technology to be had and Blues Cube, Katana and Nextone must have it in them regardless of the differing names and knob decals...

Wazmeister

Sounds grrreat here...

https://youtu.be/6NXsjCQEcQA

TimmyO

Be interesting to see if they are leaving the Blues Cube as a current product or if this is the replacement.

p90fool

Maxx77 said:

is the 40 and 80w a amp valve value, or solid state value?

They will probably be the equivalent of around 20 and 40 watts if the Katana range is anything to go by.  

TimmyO

The best sounds so far imho are in the second half of the Peach video where they go into the Custom setup - different amp types for each channel are possible that way 

fields5069

I find it interesting that they're insisting that the amp circuit is 100% analogue, at least on the Peach video and I guess they got their bullet points from Boss.

I thought there was always some DSP in the power amp section, but Roland/Boss talk/write in vague terms about what exactly is going on. I must say I don't think having some digital in there is a bad thing at all.

ICBM

Is “all analogue” the new “all valve”?

If so, what you think that means and what manufacturer’s marketing departments think it means could be different things...

Three-ColourSunburst

Compared to the Blues Cubes these do seem to use similar technology but give a lot more features at a lower price.

Anyone know if there is anything else that differentiates between these and the Blues Cubes? For example, do they have full beech-ply cabinets like the Blues Cubes, or chipboard cabinets like the Katanas?

fields5069

They look more flimsy than a Blues Cube, more like a Katana.

EricTheWeary

Maxx77 said:

is the 40 and 80w a amp valve value, or solid state value?

[FFS quotes...]

Apparently in the 80w there are 77watts going in so more magic value than valve or solid state.

Arjailer

"all analogue" with a software editor?   Hmm...


(sounds lovely though, which is all that actually matters)

EricTheWeary

Arjailer said:

"all analogue" with a software editor?   Hmm...


(sounds lovely though, which is all that actually matters)


From my brief look at a video the software manages the digital effects ( delay types,reverb, tremolo, compression). I'm not sure it changes the core sounds. 

TimmyO

Will Roland UK be refusing to supply parts for out of warranty repairs on these too a la Blues Cube? 

ICBM

EricTheWeary said:

Apparently in the 80w there are 77watts going in so more magic value than valve or solid state.

And 37 in the 40W.

But recently I've found an amp where the claimed output power is accurate and the stated input power is (drastically!) wrong, so who knows...

They certainly won't be as loud as equivalent-power valve amps, but that isn't because solid state and valve watts are different. It still isn't helpful when manufacturers play numbers games though - it's not so much asking how long a piece of string is, it becomes more like trying to answer when you don't know whether the string is made of cotton or rubber .

stratman3142

ICBM said:

EricTheWeary said:

Apparently in the 80w there are 77watts going in so more magic value than valve or solid state.

And 37 in the 40W.

But recently I've found an amp where the claimed output power is accurate and the stated input power is (drastically!) wrong, so who knows...

They certainly won't be as loud as equivalent-power valve amps, but that isn't because solid state and valve watts are different. It still isn't helpful when manufacturers play numbers games though - it's not so much asking how long a piece of string is, it becomes more like trying to answer when you don't know whether the string is made of cotton or rubber .

What's strange is that my solid state 80W Blues Cube Artist is rated at 68W input. Whereas my 40W HRD IV is rated at 180W input power.

But if I set my Blues Cube Artist on the lower 45W setting it seems to be at least as loud as my HRD IV. That's as far as I can tell without blowing the roof off .

ChuckManual

They're both 1x12" combo cabs ...but they appear to be entirely different sizes...?

Any idea why?

StefB

ChuckManual said:

They're both 1x12" combo cabs ...but they appear to be entirely different sizes...?

Any idea why?

Does seem unnecessary.  I guess we'll find out for certain soon when Guitarist provide their 5 star review.

Onpar

stratman3142 said:

ICBM said:

EricTheWeary said:

Apparently in the 80w there are 77watts going in so more magic value than valve or solid state.

And 37 in the 40W.

But recently I've found an amp where the claimed output power is accurate and the stated input power is (drastically!) wrong, so who knows...

They certainly won't be as loud as equivalent-power valve amps, but that isn't because solid state and valve watts are different. It still isn't helpful when manufacturers play numbers games though - it's not so much asking how long a piece of string is, it becomes more like trying to answer when you don't know whether the string is made of cotton or rubber .

What's strange is that my solid state 80W Blues Cube Artist is rated at 68W input. Whereas my 40W HRD IV is rated at 180W input power.

But if I set my Blues Cube Artist on the lower 45W setting it seems to be at least as loud as my HRD IV. That's as far as I can tell without blowing the roof off .

So your Blues Cube is as loud as a hot rod deluxe? 

If so this means it is easily loud enough for medium size gigs with just the amp and no PA.

ICBM

stratman3142 said:

What's strange is that my solid state 80W Blues Cube Artist is rated at 68W input. Whereas my 40W HRD IV is rated at 180W input power.

But if I set my Blues Cube Artist on the lower 45W setting it seems to be at least as loud as my HRD IV. That's as far as I can tell without blowing the roof off .

Exactly. How long is a piece of rubber string...?

The 180W will be accurate or possibly an overestimate because valve amps are inefficient and put a high static load on the supply due to having a transformer input.

The 68W may be an underestimate because it will be based on an average draw at a lower percentage of the maximum continuous output, and the 80W may not be a continuous clean output (often called RMS power, although technically that doesn’t exist) either! Or both.

And that’s ignoring differences in speaker sensitivity or perceived volume due to EQ and dynamics.

Dontgiveupyourdayjob

Onpar said:

stratman3142 said:

ICBM said:

EricTheWeary said:

Apparently in the 80w there are 77watts going in so more magic value than valve or solid state.

And 37 in the 40W.

But recently I've found an amp where the claimed output power is accurate and the stated input power is (drastically!) wrong, so who knows...

They certainly won't be as loud as equivalent-power valve amps, but that isn't because solid state and valve watts are different. It still isn't helpful when manufacturers play numbers games though - it's not so much asking how long a piece of string is, it becomes more like trying to answer when you don't know whether the string is made of cotton or rubber .

What's strange is that my solid state 80W Blues Cube Artist is rated at 68W input. Whereas my 40W HRD IV is rated at 180W input power.

But if I set my Blues Cube Artist on the lower 45W setting it seems to be at least as loud as my HRD IV. That's as far as I can tell without blowing the roof off .

So your Blues Cube is as loud as a hot rod deluxe? 

If so this means it is easily loud enough for medium size gigs with just the amp and no PA.

I have the 80w Blues Cube. I've never played an HRD so couldn't compare directly, but can confirm that on the 45w setting it's easily capable of keeping up with a drummer without winding the master vol much past 12 o'clock. I've never needed to use the 80w setting in anger.