DC Junior on eBay...

IvisonGuitars

A forum member pal sent me this one last night...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254109718107?ul_noapp=true

@ICBM How many red flags can you spot  

guitars4you

crikey Neil - that is bad isn't it 

No script logo on the headstock facia - almost a volute on the rear of the headstock behind the nut - tuners - facia looks wrong - control back plate - finish - must be more so will look again - no serial number

guitars4you

bass side body horn looks far to elongated - is that me or the angle of the pic

guitars4you

https://ivisonguitars.tumblr.com/ - how they should be built

WindmillGuitars

That's about as genuine as an underwater hairdryer ..

springhead

Wrong shape.  Serial number on the "1966 receipt" isn't one that would be on a 58-60 DC junior. 

timmypix

Also the very obviously not 53-year-old piece of paper with the fresh ink for the receipt...

JerkMoans

springhead said:

Wrong shape.  Serial number on the "1966 receipt" isn't one that would be on a 58-60 DC junior. 

Especially  not the serial number that isn’t on this particular model  

peteri

And especially not as there's a volute on the neck!

roberty

timmypix said:

Also the very obviously not 53-year-old piece of paper with the fresh ink for the receipt...

Yes it's very fresh isn't it!  Did they even have ballpoint pens in 1966?!!

timmypix

roberty said:

timmypix said:

Also the very obviously not 53-year-old piece of paper with the fresh ink for the receipt...

Yes it's very fresh isn't it!  Did they even have ballpoint pens in 1966?!!

The brief sojourn into the Wikipedia rabbit hole says yes, but I wouldn't count that in this case's favour.

peteri

Serial number (according to the usually excellent serial dater website) - is either:

1996 or 2006 from Nashville

1956 Kalamazoo 

1970 Nashville


Well in 1956 a junior would be single cut away, so it's obviously not this one.

Unbelievable!

Sassafras

"I am selling for a friend" always sets off alarm bells IMO.
More telling perhaps is that there is  no and never has been a Yonge Street in Toronto. (I'm just guessing that last bit).

SteveRobinson

roberty said:

timmypix said:

Also the very obviously not 53-year-old piece of paper with the fresh ink for the receipt...

Yes it's very fresh isn't it!  Did they even have ballpoint pens in 1966?!!

Yes, we did!

ICBM

miserneil said:

A forum member pal sent me this one last night...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254109718107?ul_noapp=true

@ICBM How many red flags can you spot  

Enough to send a message from Nelson to the fleet at Trafalgar, I think .

70s Japanese?

The case is certainly not that old either.

Sassafras said:

More telling perhaps is that there is  no and never has been a Yonge Street in Toronto. (I'm just guessing that last bit).

There is, and there appears to have been a Mundinger's Music Store there in the 50s and 60s. The receipt is probably the only genuine thing there, in fact. It would be nice to find the guitar it originally left the shop with!

fretfinder

I sent a link to this thread to the eBay seller, and below is his response...

New message from: cnnr (524)

Hi, Thanks for messaging I am genuinely selling this guitar for a elderly lady who has just lost her partner to cancer. I own guitars myself and know a little about them but am not overly clued up on vintage guitars. The receipt is genuine. The owner lived in Canada for 40 years before settling back in the UK. Maybe the guitar shop got the description wrong, I don’t know. The forum members possibly know more than I do. If they can tell me what I am selling then I would appreciate any info, but for the time being I will have to go with the information that I have been given. Kind regards, Craig.

guitars4you

guitars4you said:

https://ivisonguitars.tumblr.com/ - how they should be built

@miserneil - just looked through all of that posting Neil - some attention to detail there - To be thoroughly applauded

IvisonGuitars

guitars4you said:

guitars4you said:

https://ivisonguitars.tumblr.com/ - how they should be built

@miserneil - just looked through all of that posting Neil - some attention to detail there - To be thoroughly applauded

Thanks again mate, as always, much appreciated!  

So, what are we all saying then chaps? 70's Japanese copy that's been stripped? I got some cavity photos from the seller today.....it's not a 50's cavity at all.

ICBM

I don't have any problem believing the receipt is completely genuine - it just doesn't belong with this guitar. I think it's most likely a stripped 70s Japanese copy.

Some of the wiring looks too modern even for that - the blue-core shielded cable to the jack in particular looks like it's been replaced more recently.

The case is a little odd too - although it's the right width across the lower bout, the cutaway horn area is far too wide and slightly too short, which I think means it must be from a 335S (rare solid-body 335, from the late 70s/very early 80s) - the maroon lining and silver logo would be right for that era.

TeleMaster

Doesn’t the receipt show a 50’s serial number? A 56? No double cuts in 56 as mentioned before. Very strange!!!

John_P

I saw that one and thought it looked off but I really appreciate the experts pointing out the details.    

Here is is another one that has been listed a few times, is it me or is the shape a bit wrong?   Could be the pic angles.  What do we all think?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F163512927973