Dua Lipa Rig Rundown

dangriffiths

It makes me laugh but 5 minutes is more than enough

ICBM

ArenaCorner said:

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

By treating the band as serious musicians doing a skilled professional job - not patronising them apparently on the basis that Dua Lipa is a 'pop singer' with an attempt at comedy aimed at her average audience age, perhaps...

Would you have interviewed Nuno Bettencourt in the same way when he was touring with Rihanna?

ArenaCorner

ICBM said:

ArenaCorner said:

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

By treating the band as serious musicians doing a skilled professional job - not patronising them apparently on the basis that Dua Lipa is a 'pop singer' with an attempt at comedy aimed at her average audience age, perhaps...

Would you have interviewed Nuno Bettencourt in the same way when he was touring with Rihanna?

I may have if I knew who Nuno Bettencourt was!

ICBM

ArenaCorner said:

I may have if I knew who Nuno Bettencourt was!

Calling @digitalscream ...

Freebird

This dude is the best..

Snags

@ArenaCorner Presumably it's supposed to be a piss-take/humorous thing, and not a serious rig rundown?

If so (and assuming the artists involve know this) I would suggest that you need to find a way to totally master dead-pan, and also develop some quirkier off-beat ideas that genuinely throw people or make them think about context. And try to get a little bit more actual content in there, so even in the midst of parody/mockery the viewer still feels like they maybe learnt something or were at least entertained.

And seriously, go and watch every single "Philomena Cunk's World of Wonders" and "Cunk on ..." segments that you can find (Charlie Brooker/Diane Morgan) and unpick what makes those great.

{Edit: if it's supposed to be serious, I need recalibrating}

ICBM

Snags said:

I would suggest that you need to find a way to totally master dead-pan, and also develop some quirkier off-beat ideas that genuinely throw people or make them think about context. And try to get a little bit more actual content in there, so even in the midst of parody/mockery the viewer still feels like they maybe learnt something or were at least entertained.

And stop flashing that massively annoying title card every thirty seconds. That made me want to punch the screen almost as much as the presenting.

EricTheWeary

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

I had assumed this was a joke but it turns out it really is you. 

I love a rig rundown but with that approach I'm obviously not in the target audience. I'm quite impressed by people who got as far as 5 minutes into it.

The Premier Guitar people are a bit blundering but they do some research and are respectful. It's an approach which can be a bit boring but as an interview technique it's often a good way to let artists show what absolute twats they can be ( yes Steve Morse, yes The Darkness...). 

Majorscale

Just watched it... what a complete load of shit.

Sassafras

Whether it was real or parody doesn't matter. It was totally boring unfunny shit. I would advise against a career in comedy.

ArenaCorner

Sassafras said:

Whether it was real or parody doesn't matter. It was totally boring unfunny shit. I would advise against a career in comedy.

your advice has been noted

dindude

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

Consider giving it up. If it was meant to be comedy, it failed. If it was meant to be insightful, it failed. If you were going for something in between, it failed.

I guess if I’m being fair minded - you succeeded if you were aiming to be disrespectful.

You did ask.

digitalscream

dindude said:

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

Consider giving it up. If it was meant to be comedy, it failed. If it was meant to be insightful, it failed. If you were going for something in between, it failed.

I guess if I’m being fair minded - you succeeded if you were aiming to be disrespectful.

You did ask.

This is probably the most constructive advice here. Basically, consider the objectives of the video:

1 - Provide a rig rundown that people might want to see.
2 - Provide entertainment.
3 - Build an audience.

Because your approach to #2 is such a niche taste, most folk won't go past a minute or two (which means that #1 fails due to lack of audience retention, and so #3 fails by default) and it feels a bit like the opportunities you have - interviewing much bigger artists than your channel size would normally allow you to get hold of - might be a little wasted.

While I appreciate that it's difficult to find a unique angle for YouTube content these days, it might be an idea to abandon this particular persona as it doesn't seem like it's really working and come up with something less Marmite in appeal.

Also, on a more personal note, if you genuinely haven't got a clue who Nuno Bettencourt is, I weep for your soul.

Snags

Fuck me, if the attitude of "That was shit, give up" is this pervasive, rather than "That was shit but you could learn why and do it better" I'm amazed anyone here ever learnt to play an instrument.

ArenaCorner

digitalscream said:

dindude said:

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

Consider giving it up. If it was meant to be comedy, it failed. If it was meant to be insightful, it failed. If you were going for something in between, it failed.

I guess if I’m being fair minded - you succeeded if you were aiming to be disrespectful.

You did ask.

This is probably the most constructive advice here. Basically, consider the objectives of the video:

1 - Provide a rig rundown that people might want to see.
2 - Provide entertainment.
3 - Build an audience.

Because your approach to #2 is such a niche taste, most folk won't go past a minute or two (which means that #1 fails due to lack of audience retention, and so #3 fails by default) and it feels a bit like the opportunities you have - interviewing much bigger artists than your channel size would normally allow you to get hold of - might be a little wasted.

While I appreciate that it's difficult to find a unique angle for YouTube content these days, it might be an idea to abandon this particular persona as it doesn't seem like it's really working and come up with something less Marmite in appeal.

Also, on a more personal note, if you genuinely haven't got a clue who Nuno Bettencourt is, I weep for your soul.

So I should develop a new character? What should that character be like?

Snags

First off, work out what you're actually trying to do:

- provide a rig rundown, but in a different way
- provide comic relief under the guise of rig rundowns/artist interviews, but where the point is missing the point

Then work up from that.

Assuming this whole thread isn't some meta-wind-up, of course

ICBM

ArenaCorner said:

So I should develop a new character? What should that character be like?

Like you. You don't need a 'character' - if you're at all interested in guitar gear, you'll be fine... your target audience is guitar geeks like us.

That is, assuming that isn't your normal character already, of course .

Sassafras

ArenaCorner said:

digitalscream said:

dindude said:

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

Consider giving it up. If it was meant to be comedy, it failed. If it was meant to be insightful, it failed. If you were going for something in between, it failed.

I guess if I’m being fair minded - you succeeded if you were aiming to be disrespectful.

You did ask.

This is probably the most constructive advice here. Basically, consider the objectives of the video:

1 - Provide a rig rundown that people might want to see.
2 - Provide entertainment.
3 - Build an audience.

Because your approach to #2 is such a niche taste, most folk won't go past a minute or two (which means that #1 fails due to lack of audience retention, and so #3 fails by default) and it feels a bit like the opportunities you have - interviewing much bigger artists than your channel size would normally allow you to get hold of - might be a little wasted.

While I appreciate that it's difficult to find a unique angle for YouTube content these days, it might be an idea to abandon this particular persona as it doesn't seem like it's really working and come up with something less Marmite in appeal.

Also, on a more personal note, if you genuinely haven't got a clue who Nuno Bettencourt is, I weep for your soul.

So I should develop a new character? What should that character be like?

That's more like it. That was actually funny.

darthed1981

ArenaCorner said:

sweepy said:

Possibly, he’s trying to be amusing and failing miserably

I'll come forward and admit that I play the Billy Cardigan character. I'm sorry this seems so universally unappealing to thefretboard. How can I do better?

Really?  Or are you winding us up?

OK, if it is you, my feedback would be...

The overall product you have produced there is weak.  The problem is, it isn't clear which bits are supposed to be serious and which ones aren't.  Are your low production values deliberate or is it because you are a young channel, for example?  You are trying to do comedy alongside an actual rig rundown?  Ultimately, you also need some playing in there, there is no point showing a lot of pedals without showing how they affect the sound.

Being funny while being rude is really hard.  Maybe you respect Dua Lipa, maybe you don't, but it comes across like you really don't, because she is "pop" not "rock".  It doesn't come across like you are ridiculing that attitude, it sounds like you really think it.  I'll give you credit and say the character is supposed to be an idiot and thinks stupid things, but that is really hard to get right and you need to work on it.

Snag's comment on Philomena Cunk is spot on.  She is borderline rude due to ignorance, but it's wrapped in a genuine affection and enthusiasm so as a character she is incredibly likeable.  As a parody of presenters who genuinely know nothing about their subjects, she is spot on.  As a surreal experiment in abuse of the English language, she is spot on, if I remember correctly...  "school was much easier in Shakespeare's time, because you didn't have to study Shakespeare..." is just superb...

To be a bit kinder though, watch old footage of any comedian at the start of their career, their material is usually awful.  Give yourself a few years, and I'm sure you will do fine.

Slimbert

I thought it was pretty funny...although I'm not sure how long those jokes would last if repeated in every episode.

I thought the editing was great too. Deliberately naff done very well.

There's so many boring review channels now and Premier Guitar rundowns are as dull as dishwater, so why not take the piss out of them a little bit? No harm done.