Notre Dame on fire

JezWynd

tony99 said:

DB1 said:

Just heard that a Paris fire official has said that the main structure has been saved and preserved. That's fantastic (in the context of the circumstances) news. 

I think they're putting a bit of a brave spin on it there, the main structure was always probably gonna be ok as it's mostly stone. It's all the other stuff inside, centuries old wooden components and priceless artwork that's now ashes, very sad.

Very true. With modern techniques and archival info, a pretty exact replica will be able to be created but it will lack the magic that natural ageing has imparted to the generations of woodworkers and artists original work. A connection to the past has been lost.

boogieman

Gutted to see the footage.  but we were in a National Trust place a few weeks ago that had been completely razed to the ground (by workers doing renovations, ironically). It’s been totally restored now and “you can’t see the join”. The technology to do authentic and sympathetic restoration nowadays is amazing. It’ll never be the Notre Dame it was, of course, but it’ll be back. 

rsvmark

The restoration of Windsor castle was/is first class. I am sure they can manage something similar. 

ourmaninthenorth

C'est La Vie. 

LuttiS

Poor hunchback is homeless for a while

Awful thing to happen though, was an amazing building.

WiresDreamDisasters

https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800?fbclid=IwAR2Jf0Rjsc7E8Y0tMDytbujq_c6xPUZUqluPHloOc2cfVAnL9-wTV374szU

thumpingrug

This may just be me but...Its just a building.   No one died, which is the good news.     I see on the news that there are worldwide fundraising campaigns being started to rebuild it.   Err,  let the church pay for it if they want to.  They have plenty of money.  

LuttiS

Apparently a billionaire there has donated €100m for the restoration.


*According to Mrs.L, haven't seen an article yet

hywelg

Apparently the spire is 19th century as are other parts of the roof. There's going to be a price hike for oak. 

WiresDreamDisasters

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People celebrating.

boogieman

WiresDreamDisasters said:

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People celebrating.

Pretty vile isn’t it. 

Mind you I saw just as many far right posts on Facebook last night, blaming it on Muslim terrorists, quoting sources that say “there was a car found nearby containing gas canisters and papers with Arabic writing on”. Which turned out to be a news item from 2016. (And I bet the car belonged to a Arabic speaking plumber anyway). There are wankers everywhere, no matter what their religion. 

roberty

WiresDreamDisasters said:

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People celebrating.

Just like some people were celebrating the Christchurch massacre.  Just as bad as each other

Emp_Fab

@Drew - drawing attention to these idiots is just giving oxygen to thick islamophobic knuckle-draggers and stoking their hatred.  How about dowsing the flames instead of fanning them.

Cirrus

If it turns out that the fire was started by Muslims we'll have these discussions, but until then, let me point out that I had white British coworkers that were laughing about it this morning.


I never know exactly how much value to assign to a building. Yes, on the one hand it's just stone and wood and that can be rebuilt - no one died. But on the other, the building took nearly 200 years to build. People from the 12th to the 14th century would have lived their whole lives building a monument to creation. It's been through periods of lack of care, of misuse, it saw the French Revolution, the coronation of Henry VIth, Napoleon, multiple occupations of Paris, Post-WW2 celebrations... in some ways all that stone is far less valuable than a single human life, but how many of the people from 800 years ago do we remember? That cathedral will be there long after we've all died and been forgotten, in all probability.

Jalapeno

It's very sad and all, a disaster for a world heritage site, and spiritual home for the French - but enough 24x7 news coverage already !!!!!!!!!

WiresDreamDisasters

Emp_Fab said:

@Drew - drawing attention to these idiots is just giving oxygen to thick islamophobic knuckle-draggers and stoking their hatred.  How about dowsing the flames instead of fanning them.

Woah. Drawing attention to far-right idiots is almost the raison d'etre of the political discussion on this forum. But when I do it in the other direction I'm being told to rein it in?? That doesn't quite check out for me.

WiresDreamDisasters

Cirrus said:

If it turns out that the fire was started by Muslims we'll have these discussions, but until then, let me point out that I had white British coworkers that were laughing about it this morning.

I did get some very cheeky Facebook messages

Cirrus

  I heard the fire was started by the spark from a starter pistol.

WiresDreamDisasters

Cirrus said:

  I heard the fire was started by the spark from a starter pistol.

I heard someone was working on a new sound-bank for Omnisphere 2.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZEih4hI4w

Fortheloveofguitar

french police say they cant be certain who started the fire at notre dame... but they have a hunch !