DC Resistance

crunchman

prowla said:

The DC resistance is simply a measure of how long the wire is, which translates to how many winds. However, different wires may (will) have different resistance, so it is not a precise measure.

One thing it does do is tell you that the wires aren't broken!

It's not just how long the wire is.  It depends on the diameter of the wire as well.  A thinner wire of the same length will have a higher resistance.

prlgmnr

OilCityPickups said:

thegummy said:

OilCityPickups said:

thegummy said:

It's frustrating that there isn't a universal measurement of pickup output.

Buying pickups in general is little more than based on a whim for the majority of people who don't get a chance to thoroughly test lots of different ones but we at least would like to have balanced output (or at least a desired mis match) without having to go for a set of the same kind.

I'm after a fatter sounding Strat bridge and I knew gilmour has that so I checked the specs of his and it's about 13k resistance or so. Bare Knuckle, however, don't have anything that high even in the pickups they class as very high output modern ones.

Hence this question, does it mean the pickup they call hot at around 8k can have just as much output as the 13k Gilmour one?

Yes Gilmour uses a 13k pickup (I know I make a version myself)... it's wound with finer wire rather than the 42awg wire that Strat pickups usually are wound with ... and probably is not much higher output than a pokey 8k pickup  ... however it's tone is more middle focused which is what Gilmour is famous for. @Gassage has one of mine ... he can tell you how they sound compared to a 'normal' Strat pickup.

Which of yours is similar to the Gilmour one?

I quite fancied the Diamond Geezer just for having the option of a switchable extra sound. Is it available with flat poles instead of stagger?

DG stands for Dave Gilmour right ... DG also equals Diamond Geezer .... and Gilmour was the Geezer that did 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond'
Enough hints? ;-)

And yes you can have it flush pole :-)

DG stands for the most prominent virtuoso guitarist of the entire decade of the 90s - DimebaG darrell.

Gassage

prlgmnr said:

DG stands for the most prominent virtuoso guitarist of the entire decade of the 90s - DimebaG darrell.

Who?

thegummy

OilCityPickups said:

thegummy said:

OilCityPickups said:

thegummy said:

It's frustrating that there isn't a universal measurement of pickup output.

Buying pickups in general is little more than based on a whim for the majority of people who don't get a chance to thoroughly test lots of different ones but we at least would like to have balanced output (or at least a desired mis match) without having to go for a set of the same kind.

I'm after a fatter sounding Strat bridge and I knew gilmour has that so I checked the specs of his and it's about 13k resistance or so. Bare Knuckle, however, don't have anything that high even in the pickups they class as very high output modern ones.

Hence this question, does it mean the pickup they call hot at around 8k can have just as much output as the 13k Gilmour one?

Yes Gilmour uses a 13k pickup (I know I make a version myself)... it's wound with finer wire rather than the 42awg wire that Strat pickups usually are wound with ... and probably is not much higher output than a pokey 8k pickup  ... however it's tone is more middle focused which is what Gilmour is famous for. @Gassage has one of mine ... he can tell you how they sound compared to a 'normal' Strat pickup.

Which of yours is similar to the Gilmour one?

I quite fancied the Diamond Geezer just for having the option of a switchable extra sound. Is it available with flat poles instead of stagger?

DG stands for Dave Gilmour right ... DG also equals Diamond Geezer .... and Gilmour was the Geezer that did 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond'
Enough hints? ;-)

And yes you can have it flush pole :-)

Nice one thanks - I've put an order in.

Wish it Was Here already...

thegummy

@OilCityPickups got the pickup today and installed it after work. Got the tap on an S1 switch and first impressions are extremely positive.

For some reason I had guessed I'd mainly use the tap and occasionally switch to full for a boost but on the first wee play about the full output is what I loved most. As you said, it doesn't really seem to increase output, it fills out or fattens the sound.

One thing though - position 2 sounds strange. Rather than the typical Strat inbetween hollow sound it kind of sounds a bit "wah" like. Is that anything to do with the phase being wired differently to Fender CS pickups or is it just a symptom of the bridge being so much hotter than the middle?

In all honesty I don't think it would bother me as I always find both inbetween positions very functionally similar and almost redundant and I do generally use position 4 most of the time anyway, but would be good to get any fixable issues sorted if that is what it is.

Must thank you for another great pickup, this is my second order and both times it's been better than I expected. Fender are missing out by not having anything like this stock - it already seems the most useful use of the S1 switch I've come across (which I highly recommend to anyone modding a Strat, it's so clean and neat compared to an additional toggle or a push-pull.)

Funkfingers

The slightly “wah” effect of the full output bridge and centre pickups is almost certainly the product of them being out of phase with each other.

Normally, the solution to this is the swap the hot and ground conductors of the most recently added pickup.

With the OCP Diamond Geezer, this will mess up the coil tapping arrangement. In low output mode, you would be left with a weedy 3 or 4k from the outer coil turns of the pickup.

ICBM

Funkfingers said:

The slightly “wah” effect of the full output bridge and centre pickups is almost certainly the product of them being out of phase with each other.

Normally, the solution to this is the swap the hot and ground conductors of the most recently added pickup.

With the OCP Diamond Geezer, this will mess up the coil tapping arrangement. In low output mode, you would be left with a weedy 3 or 4k from the outer coil turns of the pickup.

You could do it by switching the tap to ground instead of hot, or reverse the other two pickups.

OilCityPickups

We wind our single coil 'Fender style' pickups to the 'Seymour Duncan/old Fender' standard for winding direction and polarity. That doesn't always agree with the winding direction and polarity of other manufacturers (fender have changed direction and polarity several times) but it seems to be the prevalent way of doing things. I'd recommend every guitarist who thinks about mixing brands on a guitar gets a polarity tester ... they are dead cheap ... and they save hassle in taking stuff apart and re wiring.  

thegummy

Thanks guys.

Does wiring the pickups in reverse affect the sound at all?

It seems to me it wouldn't but just double checking.

OilCityPickups

thegummy said:

Thanks guys.

Does wiring the pickups in reverse affect the sound at all?

It seems to me it wouldn't but just double checking.

Not at all