How Thomann does it?

Jota

This guitar is about 300€ more in every other store!

They had it at the same price but it came down to the actual price a few weeks ago. I thought every other store would do the same but no, they're still higher!

https://m.thomann.de/pt/gibson_sg_special_sparkling_burgundy.htm

Roland

Their internal costs are lower. For example, they don’t have a high street retail store front to fund. 
Their volumes are high, so their fixed overhead costs are spread more thinly.
Their purchasing power allows them to buy larger quantities, which means that suppliers’ costs per item are lower, and the purchasing price can be lower. 
Their geographic reach means that they can shift stock which Gibson Germany can’t sell as quickly. This particular line of guitars might be something which Gibson wants to clear to make room for new stock lines.

Jota

Roland said:

Their internal costs are lower. For example, they don’t have a high street retail store front to fund. 
Their volumes are high, so their fixed overhead costs are spread more thinly.
Their purchasing power allows them to buy larger quantities, which means that suppliers’ costs per item are lower, and the purchasing price can be lower. 
Their geographic reach means that they can shift stock which Gibson Germany can’t sell as quickly. This particular line of guitars might be something which Gibson wants to clear to make room for new stock lines.

I've

 been following the prices on these and they run out of stock pretty often (specially the blue one) and they keep the price when they get a new batch while everyone has the price higher!

I've only saw it in this particular model.

Legionreturns

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

phil_b

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octatonic

phil_b said:

the one in the link is listed as "B"  stock

No it isn't.
It additionally says a B stock guitar is available for 869 Euro.

roberty

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

Gloss or satin?  The burgundy ones are full gloss + bound neck, not far off a standard spec-wise

phil_b

octatonic said:

phil_b said:

the one in the link is listed as "B"  stock

No it isn't.
It additionally says a B stock guitar is available for 869 Euro.

yes I realised my mistake and tried to delete my post but you beat me to it

Whitecat

Roland said:

Their internal costs are lower. For example, they don’t have a high street retail store front to fund. 
Their volumes are high, so their fixed overhead costs are spread more thinly.
Their purchasing power allows them to buy larger quantities, which means that suppliers’ costs per item are lower, and the purchasing price can be lower. 
Their geographic reach means that they can shift stock which Gibson Germany can’t sell as quickly. This particular line of guitars might be something which Gibson wants to clear to make room for new stock lines.

They do have a retail store, and it’s massive. 

Sassafras

They plant listening devices in them and sell the resultant recordings to Ed Sheeran to give him ideas for songs.

Henrytwang

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

fandango

Henrytwang said:

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

We aren’t “crashing out” of anything. The UK is leaving. What we make of it after we leave is down to those who have the sense. Unlike all those chest beaters who think the world’s going to end on the 31st October, and won’t lift a finger to improve their own or their country’s opportunities.

And this preoccupation with the economic effect of Brexit shouldn’t distract us from a vibrant worldwide market for guitars. There IS a bargain out there, but not necessarily in one of the EU’s 27, but maybe in one of the other 160-170 countries that are not members of the EU.

Epsilon

fandango said:

Henrytwang said:

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

We aren’t “crashing out” of anything. The UK is leaving. What we make of it after we leave is down to those who have the sense. Unlike all those chest beaters who think the world’s going to end on the 31st October, and won’t lift a finger to improve their own or their country’s opportunities.

And this preoccupation with the economic effect of Brexit shouldn’t distract us from a vibrant worldwide market for guitars. There IS a bargain out there, but not necessarily in one of the EU’s 27, but maybe in one of the other 160-170 countries that are not members of the EU.

I really really don't want to de-rail this thread, but as someone who analyses the impact of Brexit for a living I just have to say that if extricating ourselves from the systems and institutions that more-or-less define our economic, trading, legal and regulatory regimes without a transitional period doesn't count as "crashing out" then I don't know what does. Leaving with a comprehensive trade deal or transitional period is one thing, but leaving without a deal is literally economic vandalism. If anyone tells you "WTO terms" provides a reasonable basis for a country the size of the UK to trade with our largest trade partners then I'm afraid they are betraying their economic and legal illiteracy, and I doubt if they've ever read a single WTO schedule.

And by the way we have much better access/trading leverage as a member of the EU to the rest of the world than we do outside. If the pound drops and we are cut off from many of the trading partners we have access to by merit of our EU membership (including Canada, South America, South Korea, Japan etc) resulting in increased tariffs, then I assure you that there will be fewer bargains to be had. Our negotiating leverage will be so poor in a no deal scenario that countries like the US will bend us over a barrel.

I won't be commenting on this again as I don't want to get involved in protracted debate, which feels too much like work! 

darthed1981

fandango said:

There IS a bargain out there, but not necessarily in one of the EU’s 27, but maybe in one of the other 160-170 countries that are not members of the EU.

You have made me want a North Korean guitar so bad, I believe there is a fantastic factory there called "conquer the world guitars".

Legionreturns

@fandango ...ok mate, positivity reigns.

I will be wishing and maintaining my stiff upper lip, putting my best foot forward. Because of all these things, Gibson will ring me up and offer to ship one of these to me for twenty quid, by unicorn, as a reward for my faithful and stoic optimism. 

I had no idea positive thinking had so much impact on economics! 

roberty

Oh dear it's all gone a bit brexity

brooom

fandango said:

Henrytwang said:

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

We aren’t “crashing out” of anything. The UK is leaving. What we make of it after we leave is down to those who have the sense. Unlike all those chest beaters who think the world’s going to end on the 31st October, and won’t lift a finger to improve their own or their country’s opportunities.

And this preoccupation with the economic effect of Brexit shouldn’t distract us from a vibrant worldwide market for guitars. There IS a bargain out there, but not necessarily in one of the EU’s 27, but maybe in one of the other 160-170 countries that are not members of the EU.

have a lol...

Danielsguitars

Fuck brexit, the wankers won't let us leave anyway despite what people voted for

If anyone thinks leaving is catastrophic they're deluded, what happens in people's personal lives is catastrophic especially when a family member dies, if going on holidays aren't as cheap or something you want but don't need is more expensive big deal 

I couldn't care less personally, I'll shut up now

Gerz6558

Henrytwang said:

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

Can we extend the criticism to the rest of them as well in that case? For around the price of this American made nitro instrument complete with the nice case, Fender will sell you a Mexican made road worn with a gig bag.

I don't like price increases, but I think if anything Gibson have been a bit generous in the past with their sub 1k ranges.

Sassafras

fandango said:

Henrytwang said:

Legionreturns said:

Context; I paid £600 for a brand new SG Special in 2016. It's still massively overpriced 

I agree. Gibson are having a bit of a laugh with their stupidity high prices, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the decreasing value of the £. I wonder what will happen to Thomann prices in the U.K. if we crash out of the EU.

We aren’t “crashing out” of anything. The UK is leaving. What we make of it after we leave is down to those who have the sense. Unlike all those chest beaters who think the world’s going to end on the 31st October, and won’t lift a finger to improve their own or their country’s opportunities.

And this preoccupation with the economic effect of Brexit shouldn’t distract us from a vibrant worldwide market for guitars. There IS a bargain out there, but not necessarily in one of the EU’s 27, but maybe in one of the other 160-170 countries that are not members of the EU.

You might have better luck selling your Apple Mac Book pro if you advertise it on the World Market once we've left calmly in a dignified way with our heads held high.

Philly_Q

@modmins, can this thread be moved to Politics...?