Joe B A/B's cheap and expensive Hendrix rigs

soma1975

This forum is *chef's kiss* sometimes. Saying Crosstown Traffic and Foxy Lady are 'just a mess of noise' and 'certainly not inspirational' is so far from my feelings on them that I originally thought it was satire.

 

soma1975

bluecat said:

I don't know why a lot of people tend to be a bit Anti JoBo . He is not my favourite player but he is getting up there amongstsome of the good players.
I enjoyed the video , it was a very good comparison between ultra expensive and comparitably cheap rigs.

There's a couple of things that super duper wind me up about him but the truth is he is a fantastic guitarist.

I don't like his years of cosplaying as an authentic  bluesman eventually ending up with him being like the defacto face and voice of the blues when he is a venture capital-backed millionaire with a mansion in the hills. 

I don't like that he has sort of become a gatekeeper for the genre and if you don't have him or his cronies produce you there's little chance of doing well or getting on the tours. 

Basically I don't like blues being packaged up as a safe theme weekend when it should be raw and edgy and he is as edgy as a satsuma. 

I don't like how incredibly thin-skinned he is whenever he is challenged about anything. 

But he can definitely play. 

 

soma1975

Greatape said:

As an aside, I don't think anyone has ever successfully captured the full spectrum of Hendrix, not even Stevie Ray. Certainly not JB. Mostly, they focus on the macho side. 

Agree with this. SRV is responsible for Little Wing being turned from a beautiful and delicate fragile little song to a long sprawling wanking jamfest. 

Most people that cop a bit of Hendrix miss the soul and R&B side of things. Instead they copy some John Mayer or SRV licks and say it's Hendrix. 

Offset

Brilliant video.  Absolutely loved it!

mburekenge

Playing that BOG rig must be so much fun. Would love to have a blast.

LPManic

Squire one sounded like a Squire. 

guitars4you

soma1975 said:

This forum is *chef's kiss* sometimes. Saying Crosstown Traffic and Foxy Lady are 'just a mess of noise' and 'certainly not inspirational' is so far from my feelings on them that I originally thought it was satire.

 

Sorry for saying such things - Taken out of context you might think I slagged Hendrix and dismissed him - In full, I praised him for some parts of his art - ie Little Wing and Wind Cries Mary  - Yet IMO, that whilst he pushed the boundaries and explored the limits, it came across to me, as out of control and not inspiring 

My dad was a good sax player. - One day I asked him about his views on Charlie Parker  - Again an artist who challenged the norm and expanded the  boundaries - Dad said on his day he was a genius- But on another day, maybe  when he was tired and out of it, it was a load of drivel and meaningless 

I’m not so sure JH was ever meaningless, but at times it is hard to understand what he was trying to say - Maybe he knew and I don’t get it

Good job we don’t all follow the same tone

And just for the record,my comments are not reflecting what JoBo is doing here - He is not trying to be JoBo he is just doing a very good job of how we can go about capturing some of JH, be it on a budget or with original gear - credit to his message 

soma1975

guitars4you said:

soma1975 said:

This forum is *chef's kiss* sometimes. Saying Crosstown Traffic and Foxy Lady are 'just a mess of noise' and 'certainly not inspirational' is so far from my feelings on them that I originally thought it was satire.

 

Sorry for saying such things - Taken out of context you might think I slagged Hendrix and dismissed him - In full, I praised him for some parts of his art - ie Little Wing and Wind Cries Mary  - Yet IMO, that whilst he pushed the boundaries and explored the limits, it came across to me, as out of control and not inspiring 

My dad was a good sax player. - One day I asked him about his views on Charlie Parker  - Again an artist who challenged the norm and expanded the  boundaries - Dad said on his day he was a genius- But on another day, maybe  when he was tired and out of it, it was a load of drivel and meaningless 

I’m not so sure JH was ever meaningless, but at times it is hard to understand what he was trying to say - Maybe he knew and I don’t get it

Good job we don’t all follow the same tone

And just for the record,my comments are not reflecting what JoBo is doing here - He is not trying to be JoBo he is just doing a very good job of how we can go about capturing some of JH, be it on a budget or with original gear - credit to his message 

Sorry wasn't a pop at you personally, I've just seen a few 'Hendrix was overrated' threads on this place over the years and considering his contribution to furthering the language and vocabulary of the electric and popular music in general I always find it very funny. 

I think that willingness to constantly go way outside his comfort zone is what made him the visionary he was. You can't really achieve the heights someone like him did unless you were also willing and prepared to fail occasionally. But I don't feel Foxy Lady or Crosstown Traffic are the places he failed. 

Roundwound

I’m pretty sure JB wouldn’t describe himself or expect others to label him as some sort of gatekeeper of the blues. It’s others that try and tar him with that brush. I get the impression he’s just playing the music he loves to the best of his ability and yes, there’s been some canny business acumen and money made along the way. Fair play to him.

It seems that for many people you still can’t play a 1-4-5 authentically unless your fingers are scarred from the cotton fields and your scraping a living. It’s 2024 and it’s just music.

soma1975

Roundwound said:

I’m pretty sure JB wouldn’t describe himself or expect others to label him as some sort of gatekeeper of the blues. It’s others that try and tar him with that brush. I get the impression he’s just playing the music he loves to the best of his ability and yes, there’s been some canny business acumen and money made along the way. Fair play to him.

It seems that for many people you still can’t play a 1-4-5 authentically unless your fingers are scarred from the cotton fields and your scraping a living. It’s 2024 and it’s just music.

Yeah you're right mate.




And his own SEO for his website

guitars4you

soma1975 said:

guitars4you said:

soma1975 said:

This forum is *chef's kiss* sometimes. Saying Crosstown Traffic and Foxy Lady are 'just a mess of noise' and 'certainly not inspirational' is so far from my feelings on them that I originally thought it was satire.

 

Sorry for saying such things - Taken out of context you might think I slagged Hendrix and dismissed him - In full, I praised him for some parts of his art - ie Little Wing and Wind Cries Mary  - Yet IMO, that whilst he pushed the boundaries and explored the limits, it came across to me, as out of control and not inspiring 

My dad was a good sax player. - One day I asked him about his views on Charlie Parker  - Again an artist who challenged the norm and expanded the  boundaries - Dad said on his day he was a genius- But on another day, maybe  when he was tired and out of it, it was a load of drivel and meaningless 

I’m not so sure JH was ever meaningless, but at times it is hard to understand what he was trying to say - Maybe he knew and I don’t get it

Good job we don’t all follow the same tone

And just for the record,my comments are not reflecting what JoBo is doing here - He is not trying to be JoBo he is just doing a very good job of how we can go about capturing some of JH, be it on a budget or with original gear - credit to his message 

Sorry wasn't a pop at you personally, I've just seen a few 'Hendrix was overrated' threads on this place over the years and considering his contribution to furthering the language and vocabulary of the electric and popular music in general I always find it very funny. 

I think that willingness to constantly go way outside his comfort zone is what made him the visionary he was. You can't really achieve the heights someone like him did unless you were also willing and prepared to fail occasionally. But I don't feel Foxy Lady or Crosstown Traffic are the places he failed. 

Perhaps it is also a sign of the times - Woodstock, flower power, the end of the 2/3 catchy clean jingly jangly pop song- As we say, looking to explore and approaching something more avant garde

Also a case to be said that the gear he used and was available to him, was never designed to be used in such away and often on its own limits, hence my view that at times it sounds ‘out of control ‘

Equally, there is probably no artist, with a decent output of material, that we like every thing they record/write etc

In the last few years of that era he certainly was original, pushed the boundaries, influenced many that followed him and still inspires today- We had certainly not heard anything before then that was so ‘wild’ - But I still have mixed tastes/thoughts/opinions about which of his material I like 

Philly_Q

LPManic said:

Squire one sounded like a Squire. 

Oh well, at least it didn't sound like a Squier.

Kittyfrisk

Philly_Q said:

LPManic said:

Squire one sounded like a Squire. 

Oh well, at least it didn't sound like a Squier.

Squire's tend to squeal more when you thrash them...

blueskunk

HerbieTheRadDorklift said:

I did not need to see Joe's boob hanging over the Strat

Only reason I’m here. 

LPManic

Philly_Q said:

LPManic said:

Squire one sounded like a Squire. 

Oh well, at least it didn't sound like a Squier.

Sorry, I really did reveal my Murphy Lab CS bias there not even knowing how that common name was to be spelt. 

OilCityPickups

As probably one of the only people left here who's seen Hendrix play live ... 

Perhaps you had to be there to 'get' the stage presence, the sheer wall of power from a Strat ,,, which can vere to the polite in some circumstances to be fair.

He was of his time, did far too many drugs, which probably took the edge off of his playing at times, he could be chaotic, wonderful and cringeworthy (I really can't listen to him play 'Wild Thing') but he played a major part in changing music.

I really don't see much point in copying him, any more than I see any 'art' in slavishly copying a Picasso. 

In a conversation with Mike Bloomfield after a gig, Bloomfield said to Hendrix 'Oh man I wish I could play what you do!' 
And Hendrix smiled and said 'I'm glad you don't, there's so much more to play than I can ...'

Greatape

I suppose another major difference between Hendrix and his imitators is that his listening habits extended well beyond the guitar, suggesting that for him, the guitar had become a vehicle for creation and expression rather than an item of obsession and an end in itself. I e. A musician and composer who played guitar rather than a guitarist. You can hear that in the songwriting.The gulf between him and most of his peers was huge in that respect. 

That said, my tolerance for late-period Hendrix live performance has dropped, because there seemed to be an increasing number of solos that didn't go anywhere. 

prowla

Hendrix defined what an electric guitar could do; sure everyone can play the notes, but then again Vim Fuego could play "Stairway To Heaven" when he was 12.

Bonamassa wasn't trying to be Hendrix but was rather demonstrating an answer to a question which a lot of people ask and I think he did a good job.

OilCityPickups

Greatape said:

....., my tolerance for late-period Hendrix live performance has dropped, because there seemed to be an increasing number of solos that didn't go anywhere. 

Drugs'll do that. I suppose my experience was at the last of his gigs on British soil ... he only did one more, in Germany ... and so he probably wasn't firing on all cylinders any more. However to a kid of eleven his playing was calculated to make your head explode. :-)

soma1975

I think a lot of his output in 1970 is incredible tbf, but he's also allowed to have had the odd off night. 

I love that Stockholm gig from '69 where they are very clearly in a strop with each other and playing flat and really sounding by the numbers. Body language speaking a thousand words

Then after the break they loosen up and sound great and are really on form. 

Apparently they had to dump all their drugs and were stone cold sober and presumably hungover, and in the intermission someone managed to score some weed and it cheered them all up.  

Weirdly if I have half a pint of shandy I can no longer play.