Sweet home alabama

viz

MatthewShreddery said:

It's not that special. It uses the same chords

Well yes, but under your premise of reversing the chords, to demonstrate that GCD doesn't necessarily mean it's in D (which I agree with by the way) I'm just saying that GCD would be IV, IIV, I (there's no dominant) whereas DCG (if the song's in G) would be V IV I.

The existance of the dominant reinforces the case for it being in G, imo.

robinbowes

viz said:

MatthewShreddery said:

It's not that special. It uses the same chords

Well yes, but under your premise of reversing the chords, to demonstrate that GCD doesn't necessarily mean it's in D (which I agree with by the way) I'm just saying that GCD would be IV, IIV, I (there's no dominant) whereas DCG (if the song's in G) would be V IV I.

The existance of the dominant reinforces the case for it being in G, imo.

There's no "C" in the key of D; it would be C#. Ergo, it must be G.

R.

MatthewShreddery

Just because there a C naturals does not mean it can't be in D major. I'm pretty sure I've already explained this.

robinbowes

MatthewShreddery said:

Just because there a C naturals does not mean it can't be in D major. I'm pretty sure I've already explained this.

It pretty much does. And I don't see any "explanation".

R.

Dominic

What is wrong with you people......................everybody knows its B sharp !

viz

robinbowes said:

MatthewShreddery said:

Just because there a C naturals does not mean it can't be in D major. I'm pretty sure I've already explained this.

It pretty much does. And I don't see any "explanation".

R.

It is ok really, because the mixolydian scale (or major scale flat 7th) is a major scale, one of many.

citizen68

It's in G - anyone who thinks 'D' needs to learn their keys - solo wise you can do it all in G major pent or scale, or you can borrow from D major pent & C major pent when hitting those chords, as the original does during those bridging sections.

MatthewShreddery

If someone can explain to me why Sweet Child is in D, but Sweet Home is somehow in G I'll listen.

Roland

SHA resolves to G. SCOM resolves to D. Songs don't necessarily start with the chord that they resolve to.

Rox

Well, the fella what played on it says...

But Kooper argued with me the whole time I was there, saying "You're playing the solo in the wrong key." Because it starts on a D chord but it really resolves in G. It's really in the key of G. And he says "The solo should be in D." And he, unbeknownst to me, was telling the rest of the guys, "Look, we can't have this guy do the solo on the record."

Vaiai

stickyfiddle said:

Although, if I have to have an opinion, it's in G, which is the same notes as D mixolydian, but mixolydian isn't a key, it's a scale. 

Well, if we are being precise...and it's the internet so we have to Mixolydian is a mode not a scale

koneguitarist

Take the solo out its in G, you can play a variety of modes for solo, but chords don't change. GCD. Key of G. Seeing as I can only play major scale for solos, will all the keys of songs I play change to suit my solo?

viz

Vaiai said:

stickyfiddle said:

Although, if I have to have an opinion, it's in G, which is the same notes as D mixolydian, but mixolydian isn't a key, it's a scale. 

Well, if we are being precise...and it's the internet so we have to Mixolydian is a mode not a scale

Yes, though it is also a scale (and it happens to be a mode of 6 other scales).

viz

MatthewShreddery said:

If someone can explain to me why Sweet Child is in D, but Sweet Home is somehow in G I'll listen.

One major difference is that SCOM is D, C, G, D in the verse; in the chorus it's A, G (which is a dominant), D -----

The construct is entirely different in SHA. For starters, the only possible dominant chord is D, which would point the song to being in G. For seconds, the rhythm is so different. In SCOM it always lands on the D. In SHA, it lands on the G.

HAL9000

Move along now - nothing to see here...

HAL9000

stickyfiddle said:

I don't care what scale and patterns people want to use in the solos. That's not how you define a key. If it was in D there would be C#s all over the thing. But what's the second chord? C. Just regular C. So it's in G. 

FWIW I don't mind if it resolves to D for a "rocknroll finish", but that doesn't mean it's in D. 90% of the song is a V-IV-I progression.

This^

As someone who only a few days ago would have insisted it's in D, I'm now firmly in the 'G' camp. I would, however, probably solo over the SHA progression primarily using D major and D minor pentatonics. But as others have pointed out - how you choose to noodle over a progression is not how a key is defined.

Moltisanti

if you listen to one of the guitars in the verse it drones on a G and a D not on the b and e strings (the top 2 notes of a G5 chord) - that drone working through the whole verse suggests to me it is in G

MatthewShreddery

Those of you who say G; are you saying this just because on paper all the notes fit G major? (which is correct - they certainly do)

Or, are you actually hearing some kind of aural resolution when the chords land on G every time?

stickyfiddle

MatthewShreddery said:

Those of you who say G; are you saying this just because on paper all the notes fit G major? (which is correct - they certainly do)

Or, are you actually hearing some kind of aural resolution when the chords land on G every time?

Mostly the former, for me at least. Tbh I don't feel it particularly resolves to D or G. 

Maybe it's actually in E minor??

HAL9000

stickyfiddle said:

Maybe it's actually in E minor??

Actually I think you'll find the relative minor of D is Bm