Jail deniers

lloyd

Hertz32 said:

Drew_TNBD said:

The rock on which we live will survive. It's us, and everything else that live on it's surface that won't. 

Aye, and I don't have a problem with that.

And what if we truly are alone in the universe? I doubt it, but the lack of evidence otherwise suggests that this may be the case. 
If we are the only planet in the entirety of existence that harbours life, and one single species drives it all the extinction. Then the human race is the single most evil entity imaginable. 
I'd rather not imagine that that is the legacy that will be left by humans. People are too selfish already, how you could think to encourage them to be more so is beyond me.  

Come on, fucking hell, of course we're the most evil-we invented te fucking term and concept....were also the nicest, sexiest, ugliest, charitable etc....

The actual reality is that we are just following our natural instincts to redevelop and survive-that's it, everything we do has its basis in that.

Drew_TNBD

The nonchalant reaction to what not-a-real-scientist Bill Nye is saying, just proves to me that liberty and freedom really are under attack all around the Western world. I'm utterly terrified of anyone with Hertz's viewpoint getting into positions of power - there should be consequences for "harming the planet" ?

No.

There should be technological advancements and scientific study that ensures that we cannot harm the planet. Innovation crushes censorship and control - it always has, and *always* will.

And correlation does not equals causation.

Hertz32

So if there are no consequences for harming the planet, what's the issue with dumping 12 million gallons of oil into the gulf? Why don't we just dump all the nuclear waste into the pacific and let it do its thing? 

You are right, correlation =/= causation. But 100% of the fish we catch didn't die for any reason other than fishing.

Drew_TNBD

We need more work on the genetic side of things so we can grow salmon, tuna, and people, explicitly for food.

Your line of thinking Hertz eventually ends up at jailing people for eating meat, wearing non-vegan clothing, and drinking a beer in front of their children.

I'm not down with that.

lloyd

Hertz wants everyone else to stop being evil and using the planets resources.

Hertz joins the fucking military, wants to fly planes for a living and Probabaly eats fertilised food, farmed by diesel guzzling machines and uses plastic every day....

Theres no Mr Burns out there laughing at the world being harmed, it's just a fact of life, you can tell everyone to stop using so much oil, but you have to start with yourself or you'll just get told to fuck off.

The only thing you're talking about with any kind of sense is the over fishing, but unless youve never eaten fish, you're also part of the problem.

Hertz32

lloyd said:

Hertz wants everyone else to stop being evil and using the planets resources.

Hertz joins the fucking military, wants to fly planes for a living and Probabaly eats fertilised food, farmed by diesel guzzling machines and uses plastic every day....

Theres no Mr Burns out there laughing at the world being harmed, it's just a fact of life, you can tell everyone to stop using so much oil, but you have to start with yourself or you'll just get told to fuck off.

The only thing you're talking about with any kind of sense is the over fishing, but unless youve never eaten fish, you're also part of the problem.

I've genuinely never eaten fish. Don't have the taste for it now, and I loved looking at them too much as a child to want to eat it. 

I don't think that there is a solution to be found in the next 50 years. the technology simply does not exist. However a marked expansion in conservation efforts is required, expand areas of ocean that are free from fishing and roll out more biodegradable packaging and recycled goods. There are biodegradable 6 pack holders, why do no beer companies use them?

I know that there is evil in the world, and that we are forced to partake in it. Hell, the electricity that powers this laptop is probably from a coal fired power station.
War is real, death is real. Religion drives a lot of the hatred and death. The question being asked is that should people be punished for their beliefs? and I've already said yes - if they affect others. 
I don't imagine that I can fix all the worlds ills myself. But I believe that change will bring progress and preservation of life is important.
I want to join the military because preserving life through the elimination of harmful ideologies (Not just religion, but people who are brutal and unfair dictators like gadaffi) and expanding the opportunities available to people is how I see change happening. 
An astronaut or Nobel prize winning scientist is just as likely to be Syrian, or Congolese as they are a brit or American. It's just the gap in opportunity that is holding back more than half the worlds population from implementing their ideas or learning what they need to make those life changing discoveries. 

I could go to Africa and build schools, but whats the fucking point when religious nuts come and kidnap and rape every girl there? 
I don't see the world as being entirely good, and I know that if positive change is to happen then some people must step up to the plate and effect that change. 

Chalky

@Hertz32 said "
I don't see the world as being entirely good, and I know that if positive change is to happen then some people must step up to the plate and effect that change."

Pretty much what has been said by every religious zealot since the dawn of time. Like them, you know what is 'Right' better than all those who don't think like you?

Hertz32

Chalky said:

@Hertz32 said "
I don't see the world as being entirely good, and I know that if positive change is to happen then some people must step up to the plate and effect that change."

Pretty much what has been said by every religious zealot since the dawn of time. Like them, you know what is 'Right' better than all those who don't think like you?

Nope. Thats why I'd rather be at the doing end of things, rather than the decision end of things. 

lloyd

Hertz, you're a hypocrite though, forget the fish angle, you've joined the military-a huge user of resources, you complain about beer packaging but presumably you buy that beer (or other food that is packaged excessively, like we all do). I'm 99% certain you've never sent any correspondence to said beer producer to ask for less packaging? 

You can sit here and bitch at the evil humans destroying the world, but as a 1st worlder millennial you're in category A for big carbon footprint.

Practice what you preach, get rid of your mobile phone, start cycling to work, leave the military and join an organisation that works hard on its environmental impact, until you do these and many other changes-why the fuck should anyone else?

It's easy to point the finger at other people not doing what they should be doing while you continue to do whatever it is you want to do.

Hyperbole about African religious nuts I'm at a loss why you put it in there.

Waffle about going to jai for beliefs-I've not commented on that bit of your argument.

lloyd

It's also easy to be holier than though about not eating fish because we're destroying the oceans when you don't like to eat fish.....

Drew_TNBD

Hertz32 said:

I could go to Africa and build schools, but whats the fucking point when religious nuts come and kidnap and rape every girl there?

Bad thing happens, so what's the point in doing good things? That's a way more fatalist and nihilistic viewpoint than anything I've espoused!

Also if you're talking about Boko Haram, let's not forget that they murder the boys. I dunno about you, but I'd rather be raped than murdered. Although preferably both tbh.

holnrew

Drew_TNBD said:

Hertz32 said:

I could go to Africa and build schools, but whats the fucking point when religious nuts come and kidnap and rape every girl there?

Bad thing happens, so what's the point in doing good things? That's a way more fatalist and nihilistic viewpoint than anything I've espoused!

Also if you're talking about Boko Haram, let's not forget that they murder the boys. I dunno about you, but I'd rather be raped than murdered. Although preferably both tbh.

I'm game if you are.

Reverend

*Gaol

lloyd

Reverend said:

*Gaol

Both are acceptable.

mgaw

Drew_TNBD said:

The rock on which we live will survive. It's us, and everything else that live on it's surface that won't. 

Aye, and I don't have a problem with that.

what about your child

Sporky

This thread is a marvellous, textbook example of the ad-hominem approach to discussion. Excellent work, chaps!

lloyd

mgaw said:

Drew_TNBD said:

The rock on which we live will survive. It's us, and everything else that live on it's surface that won't. 

Aye, and I don't have a problem with that.

what about your child

Everyone's going to die whether we like it or not so it's irrelevant.

Drew_TNBD

Sporky said:

This thread is a marvellous, textbook example of the ad-hominem approach to discussion. Excellent work, chaps!

Did you just assume my gender?

lloyd

Drew_TNBD said:

Sporky said:

This thread is a marvellous, textbook example of the ad-hominem approach to discussion. Excellent work, chaps!

Did you just assume my gender?

I'd consume your genitals (no homo).

Sporky

Drew_TNBD said:

Sporky said:

This thread is a marvellous, textbook example of the ad-hominem approach to discussion. Excellent work, chaps!

Did you just assume my gender?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaps

Chaps are a non-gendered article of clothing.