Amber Rudd and lists of foreigners

Heartfeltdawn

I stay with my first instinct, that it's no different to those headlines about police cuts prior to the budget. Scare stories, won't happen, all dies out. Prime Dead Cat scenario politics. 

quarky

I am sure the Tories would do the same if they were not in Government, but it is frustrating, really when you have the other parties concentrating on point scoring rather than the actual issues.
For all Corbyn's faults, his vision of a new politics with less of that is a good start. Shame it is unlikely to get anywhere.

Heartfeltdawn

quarky said:

I am sure the Tories would do the same if they were not in Government, but it is frustrating, really when you have the other parties concentrating on point scoring rather than the actual issues.
For all Corbyn's faults, his vision of a new politics with less of that is a good start. Shame it is unlikely to get anywhere.

Everyone knew what the Labour conference would be like: Corbyn sailing in on the back of a leadership campaign victory, some more mumblings, anti-Tory voices. Nothing there was a surprise beyond Clive Lewis the Trident edit in his speech. 

UKIP conference: a surprise yes but it doesn't feel unusual for the party. This sort of mad shit is why people like UKIP. Leader gone, old one back. Hurrah! The talk of Woolfe coming close to defecting to the Conservatives prior to James standing down is bloody interesting though. 

What's come out of the Tory conference is a lot of discord from Conservative supporting elements. The dig by May toward Boris was more than playful humour. A Remainer in Rudd suddenly turning into the Gestapo. 

Heartfeltdawn

And just as I type that UKIP is a circus...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37572377

A punch up in Strasbourg between MEPs? 

Fretwired

domforr said:

It's really distressing were we are politically in the UK at the moment. When your PM's speech is being praised by Marine Le Pen and Farage, something has gone very amiss. I get the feeling that May cut some kind of deal with the Daily Mail in return for their support in the Tory leadership battle. Nasty and divisive.

That's just to wind the EU up ... prepare for the Empire Strikes back as Junker goes on the offensive. Funny how he calls the UK racist when there are good old fashioned Nazis on the loose in Germany and Austria beating up migrants.

Seen the write up and it's a storm in a tea cup. Was never policy and will never happen. However the press will make hay as they race to create click bait. The twat on LBC reading Mien Kampf and claiming Rudd's comments were similar - they were not. But comment is all about social media these days - faux anger and outrage. Whip up the masses into hysteria over something that won't happen and watch your Twitter feed. It's all a race to the bottom.

Fretwired

Heartfeltdawn said:

And just as I type that UKIP is a circus...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37572377

A punch up in Strasbourg between MEPs? 

Between UKIP members - Woolfe was punched and fell into a window and has bleeding on the brain. Arrests made. Don't like UKIP but nobody should die over politics. His condition is serious.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe--in-serious-condition-af/

Heartfeltdawn

Guido is pointing to Mike Hookem very quickly...

http://order-order.com/2016/10/06/246503/

Fretwired

Heartfeltdawn said:

So there is some distortion going on but the main cut and thrust is coming from some right-leaning heavy hitters. Witness The Times. 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct_U6QRXgAE-WFY.jpg:large

The Times is anti-Brexit and not keen on May and co. It's owned by Murdoch who'll want to keep free trade with Europe.

Heartfeltdawn

Fretwired said:

The Times is anti-Brexit and not keen on May and co. It's owned by Murdoch who'll want to keep free trade with Europe.

I'm quite well aware of that. It doesn't remove the fact that the Times is a right-leaning newspaper that is offering criticism. 

And Murdoch... well, he covers all bases, just as he did with the UK and Scottish Sun headlines on ScotRef day. Uncle Rupert might be free trade in Europe when it comes to how the Times is positioned but he's also quite happy to allow Tim Shipman to do the exclusive May interview in last week's Sunday Times (who were Leave) and for the Sun to be pro-Leave. 

Now the Sun chasing Amber Hudd and getting Nick Boles all squiffy... that's two Remainers in the crosshairs. I would say the Brexiters are ramping things up a bit. It seems an interesting target with Labour so fragmented still. 

Heartfeltdawn

Cripes.

http://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/itv.jpg?w=539

quarky

Holy shit. It is like a black comedy.

Fretwired

Heartfeltdawn said:

Fretwired said:

The Times is anti-Brexit and not keen on May and co. It's owned by Murdoch who'll want to keep free trade with Europe.

I'm quite well aware of that. It doesn't remove the fact that the Times is a right-leaning newspaper that is offering criticism. 

And Murdoch... well, he covers all bases, just as he did with the UK and Scottish Sun headlines on ScotRef day. Uncle Rupert might be free trade in Europe when it comes to how the Times is positioned but he's also quite happy to allow Tim Shipman to do the exclusive May interview in last week's Sunday Times (who were Leave) and for the Sun to be pro-Leave. 

Now the Sun chasing Amber Hudd and getting Nick Boles all squiffy... that's two Remainers in the crosshairs. I would say the Brexiters are ramping things up a bit. It seems an interesting target with Labour so fragmented still. 

It's also about positioning. The Telegraph is embarrassingly pro-Brexit so the Times take the alternative view and the Sun will be pro Brexit as statistically more of its readers voted to leave.

Murdoch would be happy to see May binned and replaced with another version of Blair/Cameron.

Fretwired

Heartfeltdawn said:

Cripes.

http://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/itv.jpg?w=539

Jesus H Christ. That's not good ...

Heartfeltdawn

Fretwired said:

It's also about positioning. The Telegraph is embarrassingly pro-Brexit so the Times take the alternative view and the Sun will be pro Brexit as statistically more of its readers voted to leave.

Murdoch would be happy to see May binned and replaced with another version of Blair/Cameron.

The Telegraph is now. Certainly it was hedging it before the referendum, as Private Eye regularly picked up on before eventually coming out. The Times is positioned for the London 'Cameron liberal Conservative', the ST has a different readership and goes for the May side of things. 

It's interesting that the word 'statist' is being launched at May. We've just had a referendum where the idea was to take power back from Europe, a new Prime Minister comes in, says she will start that process next year whilst wanting to use some of that state power at home... and a load of people are now getting annoyed at this. Whatever happened to taking back control? She's in control, wants to use it, and the plebs are grumbling  

It is quite remarkable to survey politics now. The Tories keeping a lid on the pressure cooker behind the scenes, Labour trying to make it work after more leadership hoopla, the Libs deader than Bodecia, UKIP demonstrating what most people knew (namely that they were united by one single policy and sod all else) and the real possibility of Kassam coming in and turning them into Trump lite... 

Truly a horrible image above. Whatever one's political persuasion, it's a dreadful scene. 

Heartfeltdawn

Oh dear God. Tory Home Secretary on the ropes already. Surely the opposition can find someone capable? 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37579687

There are times when I would actually like a whole party made up of Trump clones to come here and walk it with a Saddam-era crooked election with a 99.7%, just to fuck things up a-plenty. 

I feel like I've turned into Sambostar. 

xSkarloey

quarky said:

ICBM said:
Being Home Secretary does seem to bring out the worst in a lot of politicians. Even Alan Johnson turned nasty.

It does seem to be a poisoned chalice.

I think the bloke who really did go all authoritarian and borderline psychotic was David Blunkett. 

In an interview I once heard, Alan Johnson said that the minute you assume office as Home Sec you receive briefings, receive intelligence and are  privy to info that would make the proverbial hair curl. Being charitable, I suppose even a Solomon would have had trouble retaining his perspective and poise under such circumstances. 

However I completely agree that so many otherwise reasonable do effectively lose it and go nuts once made Home Sec. The very worst of them seem to devise policy almost as if dictated by the Daily Mail. I think the authoritarian instinct is so hard to avoid if your overriding emotions are panic and fear.

As for Amber Rudd I find her all mouth and no substance. She's like the awful Nicky Morgan, a jolly hockey sticks head girl type with nothing between the ears whatsoever. 


Edit: Private Eye and The Guardian are recapping useful info about her pre Parliament business career which raises questions about her integrity but will the   Murdoch-Dacre axis follow up? 

quarky

Oh god. Dianne Abbott as shadow Home Secretary.

xSkarloey

quarky said:

Oh god. Dianne Abbott as shadow Home Secretary.

She'd go from Rosa Luxemburg to Margaret Thatcher overnight, mate.

ICBM

Skarloey said:

I think the bloke who really did go all authoritarian and borderline psychotic was David Blunkett. 

In an interview I once heard, Alan Johnson said that the minute you assume office as Home Sec you receive briefings, receive intelligence and are  privy to info that would make the proverbial hair curl. Being charitable, I suppose even a Solomon would have had trouble retaining his perspective and poise under such circumstances. 

However I completely agree that so many otherwise reasonable do effectively lose it and go nuts once made Home Sec. The very worst of them seem to devise policy almost as if dictated by the Daily Mail. I think the authoritarian instinct is so hard to avoid if your overriding emotions are panic and fear.

Johnson sacked Professor Nutt over his sensible and actually very restrained recommendations for drug legislation and criticism of the government's determination to overrule them for political reasons, and suppressed a judicial report into human rights abuses by MI5.

It really does seem to bring out the inner Nazi in even the most moderate and reasonable people.

Diane Abbott is not a wise choice.

Snap

I may be over egging it, but the whole listing quota of foreign workers employed has overtones of national socialism as far as I am concerned.

No doubt it was a bit of Tory spin, float the idea out to see what public reaction is, then retract or champion it accordingly. So, it was never proposed policy, merely an idea.

A bad one, a clumsy attempt to capture the perceived mentality of the (again) perceived working class voter.

That's another phrase that grinds - the working class voter. What they probably mean is what they perceive as a lower educated lower paid person. Yet more cultivation of the class system; something, that for me, absolutely stinks.

There's two classes of people IMO: people who know how to behave, and people who don't. All the rest is immaterial ephemera that is used to judge, en masse.

ranting, lol