Overcrowding on trains...

quarky

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37835087

They just keep stuffing them in, charging more the privilege, and then fiddling the stats to make it look good. Who'd have thought..

Teetonetal

I was shocked at how overcrowded the trains were on my last visit.Tiny seats and people crammed in standing. Just awful.

hotpot

How do they get away with this 'cattle class'! why doesn't health & safety do something about it!

quarky

I get a 0615 train (when it is actually on time) to London, and even that has people standing.. Just crazy.

Sporky

hotpot said:

How do they get away with this 'cattle class'! why doesn't health & safety do something about it!

Because there are so many businesses in London (in particular - I know other places are affected too), and so many people who need to travel there. And because mostly while it's unpleasant and a rip-off it's not generally unsafe as far as I can see.

Dopesick

Forget overcrowding, they need to work on their fucking punctuality. I've never seen it this bad in the 10+ years I've been commuting.

Drew_TNBD

How does it get solved?

crunchman

It's not the trains that are the problem.  There are too many people in London and the South East.

RandallFlagg

I caught the Ely to Stansted today 2 poxy carriages and rammed to the hilt and 40 minutes late. I hate taking the train it's gash

FX_Munkee

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Massive investment in infrastructure by somebody/thing who doesn't expect returns inside of 10 years.
Or in other words, not anytime soon.

rlw

They could, of course, make the trains longer.  Or provide more trains.

Every weekday I catch a train to Victoria that is four coaches long and packed.  On Saturday, that same train will have eight or ten coaches, mainly empty .

octatonic

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

It doesn't and it won't.

crunchman

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Use two wheels.  It's quicker and cheaper.

Short distance pushbike.  Longer distance motorbike.

quarky

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Larger gauge, which would allow for double-decker trains.

Sporky

quarky said:

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Larger gauge, which would allow for double-decker trains.

Some of the bridges might disagree vehemently.

quarky

Sporky said:

quarky said:

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Larger gauge, which would allow for double-decker trains.

Some of the bridges might disagree vehemently.

Who *cares* what the bridges think!!

Actually, I assumed they were part of the railway gauge.

quarky

Struture gauge is what I meant! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_gauge

Sporky

Nice save!

exocet

quarky said:

Struture gauge is what I meant! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_gauge

Wouldn't it make sense to investigate this? We must be in the minority of developed countries who don't have double decker trains.

Obviously there are going to be routes where it is never going to be economically viable to carry out the required civil engineering but I don't see ever increasing train lengths as being the answer. They run 12 carriage trains on my route onto London and if you are stuck at the back of the train when you arrive in London it can take you 10 minutes to reach the ticket barriers.....crowded platforms don't help either.

rlw

quarky said:

Struture gauge is what I meant! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_gauge

That will take more than a few minutes to do between Penge East and Sydenham Hill mind.
http://www.semgonline.com/structures/struct_72.html

octatonic

Sporky said:

quarky said:

Drew_TNBD said:

How does it get solved?

Larger gauge, which would allow for double-decker trains.

Some of the bridges might disagree vehemently.

Fucking traitors!
They should stop moaning and get on with it.