TS and and Klone in one pedal...?

colourofsound

Is this a thing? I'm really like both pedals as boosts for solos but the flavours are so very different. I don't feel I can justify (or physically fit) having both on one board.

Which leads me to the question - is there a pedal with both circuits in available? Ideally in a small enclosure. Either with a switch to flip between them or two footswitches.

I'm sure a custom jobby can be made but I'm not *that* bothered.

FarleyUK

Dan at 4114 Effects might have something like that - I know he's made quite a lot of combination pedals.

Lebarque

Not a Klon, but have a look at the Way Huge Camel Toe

BintyTwanger77

I didn't realise they were that different: I am a Luddite after all. What are the main differences tonally? The Tumnus sounds lovely: how does a TS's tone differ? More gain/mids? 

NB. I had a TS mini ages ago but can't remember enough about its tone to compare.

colourofsound

@BintyTwanger77 I have a TS Mini and a JRAD Archer. 

To me at least, the mid-hump in the TS is much more pronounced than the Archer. Additionally, you can have 0 gain on the Archer whereas there is always gain in a TS no matter how low you set the drive.

Additionally, the Archer doesn't cut any low end like a TS does. In my rig, at least!

BintyTwanger77

Excellent to know. New pedal I've got can be dialled up for an excellent TS tone, and already have a Tumnus which is fantastic.

colourofsound

@BintyTwanger77 What is this mysterious 'new pedal'? Yeah I'd like a Tumnus for the footprint but honestly I think they're overpriced.

BintyTwanger77

colourofsound said:

@BintyTwanger77 What is this mysterious 'new pedal'? Yeah I'd like a Tumnus for the footprint but honestly I think they're overpriced.

As there's a 30 day return/refund policy with the retailer, I've ordered a Riverside.

Sassafras

BintyTwanger77 said:

I didn't realise they were that different: I am a Luddite after all. What are the main differences tonally? The Tumnus sounds lovely: how does a TS's tone differ? More gain/mids? 

NB. I had a TS mini ages ago but can't remember enough about its tone to compare.

Don't worry about it, all overdrives sound the same.
  

timbuk02

Maybe a Keeley Tonestation or the JHS Double Barrell has their TS pedal and Morning Glory in it with an order switch. Not budget options mind. I use an MI Blues Pro which is a super tweakable TS that you can set to clean boost with no gain. It does have the mid hump. Stacked into a FET Drive (that is minus the mid hump) it sounds amazing...

RandallFlagg

colourofsound said:

@BintyTwanger77 I have a TS Mini and a JRAD Archer. 

To me at least, the mid-hump in the TS is much more pronounced than the Archer. Additionally, you can have 0 gain on the Archer whereas there is always gain in a TS no matter how low you set the drive.

Additionally, the Archer doesn't cut any low end like a TS does. In my rig, at least!

I have both these as well, another thing to note is that the TS has a compressed sound and the Archer has a much faster attack transient.

Dave_Mc

Sassafras said:

BintyTwanger77 said:

I didn't realise they were that different: I am a Luddite after all. What are the main differences tonally? The Tumnus sounds lovely: how does a TS's tone differ? More gain/mids? 

NB. I had a TS mini ages ago but can't remember enough about its tone to compare.

Don't worry about it, all overdrives sound the same.
  

That's not fair, I'm not letting you off with that. There are at least two different overdrive sounds.

(middy/compressed TS-style and flatter mids style like a timmy etc.)

djspecialist

Truetone VS-XO has a tweakable TS808 on one side. The other is a Nobels ODR-1 derivative, not a Klone, but it has flat mids and adjustable bass. I love mine, especially running at 12V.

colourofsound

https://www.greenchildamps.com/products/k818

Fell over this older thread of mine and realised I'd found the solution by accident today - Greenchild K818. No UK dealers though.

robinbowes

RandallFlagg said:

colourofsound said:

@BintyTwanger77 I have a TS Mini and a JRAD Archer. 

To me at least, the mid-hump in the TS is much more pronounced than the Archer. Additionally, you can have 0 gain on the Archer whereas there is always gain in a TS no matter how low you set the drive.

Additionally, the Archer doesn't cut any low end like a TS does. In my rig, at least!

I have both these as well, another thing to note is that the TS has a compressed sound and the Archer has a much faster attack transient.

What does this even mean?

colourofsound

@robinbowes it means that the Archer is a lot less compressed - by 'Attack Transient' he means the very first part of the note - usually the hard picking sound if you use a plectrum. Overdrives and compressors generally soften that initial attack up.

RandallFlagg

colourofsound said:

@robinbowes it means that the Archer is a lot less compressed - by 'Attack Transient' he means the very first part of the note - usually the hard picking sound if you use a plectrum. Overdrives and compressors generally soften that initial attack up.

Correct, you need to try a Tube Screamer and a Klone side by side and you will hear, and feel a distinct difference in that initial start of notes and chords. It's something you won't fully hear from YouTube demos.

hubobulous

Isn't the new Keeley D&M pedal effectively a TS and Klone in one with the ability to stack in either order?

colourofsound

@hubobulous I don't think so - it looks to me more like a Bluesbreaker (or I guess, a Keeley Modded Blues Driver) on the Dan side and a Klone on the Mick side.

greenchildamps

colourofsound said:

https://www.greenchildamps.com/products/k818

Fell over this older thread of mine and realised I'd found the solution by accident today - Greenchild K818. No UK dealers though.

We will happily ship to you direct in the UK.