Delay -> Phaser or Phaser -> Delay?

HAL9000

As per the title...

I know it's going to be try it and see, but is there a 'normal' way round for this?

JezWynd

Phaser first.

But now you've mentioned it I must try the reverse.

UnclePsychosis

The conventional way is phaser first, but I bet the other way would sound really cool, now I think about it... 

JezWynd

update: Phase after delay does sound good, it dulls the attack of the repeats (DD-7) and makes the wave of the phase more apparent. I prefer Phase first though for everyday use.

juansolo

Definitely depends. I've done it both ways (missus), and actually prefer phasing the delay rather than delaying the phaser.

ICBM

I prefer phased delay to delayed phase because the phasing sweep continues on the repeats. I use a phaser more for the slower airy swirly sound rather than the faster watery bubbly sound. I must try it the other way round with the faster phasing though...

DesVegas

I do like a phaser after delay. Tremolo after flanger is where I'm at right now

english_bob

ICBM said:

I prefer phased delay to delayed phase because the phasing sweep continues on the repeats. 

Funnily enough, I prefer modulation before delay because it breaks up the sweep more. I like the tonal changes and the sense of movement you get from having a flanger or a phaser on but not the constant swoosh noise, so modulations go pre-dirt (although generally not much dirt) and pre-delay for me.

But yeah, both are valid. I've just finished wiring up an order switcher pedal so I can run my M5 either in front of my amp / dirt pedals or after my delay in the effects loop and it's fun playing around with different effects in each position.

Dopesick

Call me stupid but...after all this time I'm still confused about what is meant by 'after' and what is 'before'.

So if the chain is amp <-- phaser <-- delay <-- distortion <-- guitar - would this make the phaser after or before? This is how I usually use it. The other way it kinda buries my DD7 (kinda like what JezWynd alluded to).

DesVegas

@Dopesick ;;;
after means amp side / output .. before means nearest the guitar / input

so your phaser is after your delay

Dopesick

Aha that's what I thought.

EricTheWeary

Dopesick said:

Call me stupid but...after all this time I'm still confused about what is meant by 'after' and what is 'before'.

So if the chain is amp <-- phaser <-- delay <-- distortion <-- guitar - would this make the phaser after or before? This is how I usually use it. The other way it kinda buries my DD7 (kinda like what JezWynd alluded to).

To my way of thinking that's a backwards way of writing it. Your signal starts with you hitting a note so it's guitar-distortion-delay-phaser-amp surely? 

english_bob

EricTheWeary said:

Dopesick said:

Call me stupid but...after all this time I'm still confused about what is meant by 'after' and what is 'before'.

So if the chain is amp <-- phaser <-- delay <-- distortion <-- guitar - would this make the phaser after or before? This is how I usually use it. The other way it kinda buries my DD7 (kinda like what JezWynd alluded to).

To my way of thinking that's a backwards way of writing it. Your signal starts with you hitting a note so it's guitar-distortion-delay-phaser-amp surely? 

Yep. Tone comes from the fingers, so that's where the journey begins.

Dopesick

EricTheWeary said:

Dopesick said:

Call me stupid but...after all this time I'm still confused about what is meant by 'after' and what is 'before'.

So if the chain is amp <-- phaser <-- delay <-- distortion <-- guitar - would this make the phaser after or before? This is how I usually use it. The other way it kinda buries my DD7 (kinda like what JezWynd alluded to).

To my way of thinking that's a backwards way of writing it. Your signal starts with you hitting a note so it's guitar-distortion-delay-phaser-amp surely? 

I just wrote it out the same direction visually as I see it on my board, but yeah you're right.

MattBanshee

Delay at the front, everything else after :-D