'Replica's , copies , fakes and friends

UnclePsychosis

impmann said:

Frankly, the only folks I've ever really encountered who get so worked up about Chibsons/Fake Fenders etc is you lot. Seriously...

I think some of you need to calm down a bit, as there are worse crimes in this world!

Its possible to be perfectly calm about it and still think that its wrong.  Whilst there are obviously worse crimes in the world this is a guitar forum so funnily enough the crimes involving guitars are the ones we end up talking about. The entire forum is basically First World Problems (there are people literally starving every day and we're complaining that our ODs have slightly too much mid hump) so not really sure what your point is.

Without people perpetuating this market for replicas/fakes/tramps/thieves there would be significantly less chance of a naiive teenager blowing his first pay packet on a fake guitar, and whilst I can't say I'm particularly "worked up" about it I also don't think that's cool at all.

By all means have whatever logo you want on your own guitars---but selling them like that isn't on, in my book.

mikeyrob73

I guess the point i have tried to make is if i buy it, for a price which is fair being what it is, and do not sell it, or if i do sell it for what it is at a price point that is relevant to what it is, does that make me a twat ? :-p

UnclePsychosis

mikeyrob73 said:

I guess the point i have tried to make is if i buy it, for a price which is fair being what it is, and do not sell it, or if i do sell it for what it is at a price point that is relevant to what it is, does that make me a twat ? :-p

In my opinion buying one and not selling it is ok (personally I don't see the point but that's a different story) but yes, selling one does make you a bit of a twat.  Take the logo off first.

richardhomer

fretmeister said:

In case nobody noticed...

Yesterday the govt said they were increasing the penalties for copyright infringement.

Max sentence is going up to 10 years prison. (currently it is 2 years)

Free the Terry Morgan One!

IvisonGuitars

Ah, brilliant!! This old chestnut again! Woohoo!!

Bridgehouse

miserneil said:

Ah, brilliant!! This old chestnut again! Woohoo!!

Looks more mahogany than chestnut to me!

Evilmags

The band name use us well out of order. I can't have much of an issue over the use of 60 year old designs bythirs parties though. 

Gagaryn

Skipped said:

stimpsonslostson said:

I'm sure I read somewhere that if you buy a "replica/fake/whatever you want to call it" off ebay. Then once it's arrived you report it to ebay as a fake (with sufficient evidence) even if it was advertised as such ebay will give you a refund and instruct you to destroy the item... how they verify the destruction I don't know.

I think it works like this.
You buy a Replica on ebay. You then contact ebay and say "I have bought a counterfeit Les Paul made by (name of builder) but I suspect it was made by BobBurst".
Ebay then say "We don't care who made it. It now has to be destroyed"
You then destroy the guitar, and provide evidence....or you send it to the Copywrite owner (Gibson) who destroy the guitar and confirm to ebay. Ebay pay for Gibson to destroy the guitar.
Ebay then refund your £7000.

Does anybody disagree?  

My mate bought a "Fender Custom Shop" Precision Bass a few years back on eBay. When it arrived it was a POS - cheap Chinese body, mini pots, $5 pup but a surprisingly nice neck. We got in touch with the seller in case it he was genuinely in the dark about it, even phoning him but he didn't want to know - the offer was to return at his expense after a full refund was made but he still claimed it was genuine and now not his problem.

Long story short - got in touch with eBay explaining it was a fake, they asked for written proof on headed paper from an "expert" that the guitar was fake - so I wrote a letter on "Gagaryn Guitars" or similar headed paper confirming its fakeness including a picture of the guitar dismantled as proof of its "destruction" and he was promptly refunded.

The owner then got back in touch asking for it back - but it was explained to him that that ship had passed and the guitar was now in pieces.

(PS -The guitar may now be back in one piece, (albeit with a new loom and pup) in my living room, with "Chinese Fake!!" scratched into the pickup cavity and control cavity - I still really like the neck on it!)

Trotter

miserneil said:

Ah, brilliant!! This old chestnut again! Woohoo!!

it's not old Chestnut, it's a fake!

SRich

Pssst anyone know where I can get a 'Terry Morgan' waterslide decal? ..........


...................."anyone got a match?"

EricTheWeary

mburekenge said:

That was a most amusing thread.

I live in a place where for many, walking miles to get get fresh drinking water is the norm, there is no free education and healthcare is an expense few can afford.

these are the sort of issues that I consider worth getting upset about.

According to your profile you live in Cornwall  

impmann

EricTheWeary said:

mburekenge said:

That was a most amusing thread.

I live in a place where for many, walking miles to get get fresh drinking water is the norm, there is no free education and healthcare is an expense few can afford.

these are the sort of issues that I consider worth getting upset about.

According to your profile you live in Cornwall  

Clearly you've never been to St Austell. ;-)

stuagu

richardhomer said:

fretmeister said:

In case nobody noticed...

Yesterday the govt said they were increasing the penalties for copyright infringement.

Max sentence is going up to 10 years prison. (currently it is 2 years)

Free the Terry Morgan One!

We have a winner!  

SteveRobinson

impmann said:

EricTheWeary said:

mburekenge I live in a place where for many, walking miles to get get fresh drinking water is the norm, there is no free education and healthcare is an expense few can afford.

According to your profile you live in Cornwall  

Clearly you've never been to St Austell. ;-)

It's gone downhill since they lost the EU funding.

HarrySeven

Is this a bad time to mention that I saw a rather nice Rockinbetter in my local music shop at lunchtime?

mburekenge

impmann said:

EricTheWeary said:

mburekenge said:

That was a most amusing thread.

I live in a place where for many, walking miles to get get fresh drinking water is the norm, there is no free education and healthcare is an expense few can afford.

these are the sort of issues that I consider worth getting upset about.

According to your profile you live in Cornwall  

Clearly you've never been to St Austell. ;-)

Ahahahaha!

its since those up country folk started drinking our ale. Massive water shortage.

im from the Duchy, but currently reside in rural East Africa.

less piskies and giants, but we still have certain obstacles to overcome.

Bridgehouse

HarrySeven said:

Is this a bad time to mention that I saw a rather nice Rockinbetter in my local music shop at lunchtime?

They kind of deserve fakes with their over zealous copyright protectionism.. 

mikeyrob73

HarrySeven said:

Is this a bad time to mention that I saw a rather nice Rockinbetter in my local music shop at lunchtime?

get it @HarrySeven ;, lets get flamed together for owning shite forgeries :-p

Bridgehouse

mikeyrob73 said:

HarrySeven said:

Is this a bad time to mention that I saw a rather nice Rockinbetter in my local music shop at lunchtime?

get it @HarrySeven ;, lets get flamed together for owning shite forgeries :-p

I feel left out now.

Im off to find an Epiphony.

Garthy

Gagaryn said:

Skipped said:

stimpsonslostson said:

I'm sure I read somewhere that if you buy a "replica/fake/whatever you want to call it" off ebay. Then once it's arrived you report it to ebay as a fake (with sufficient evidence) even if it was advertised as such ebay will give you a refund and instruct you to destroy the item... how they verify the destruction I don't know.

I think it works like this.
You buy a Replica on ebay. You then contact ebay and say "I have bought a counterfeit Les Paul made by (name of builder) but I suspect it was made by BobBurst".
Ebay then say "We don't care who made it. It now has to be destroyed"
You then destroy the guitar, and provide evidence....or you send it to the Copywrite owner (Gibson) who destroy the guitar and confirm to ebay. Ebay pay for Gibson to destroy the guitar.
Ebay then refund your £7000.

Does anybody disagree?  

My mate bought a "Fender Custom Shop" Precision Bass a few years back on eBay. When it arrived it was a POS - cheap Chinese body, mini pots, $5 pup but a surprisingly nice neck. We got in touch with the seller in case it he was genuinely in the dark about it, even phoning him but he didn't want to know - the offer was to return at his expense after a full refund was made but he still claimed it was genuine and now not his problem.

Long story short - got in touch with eBay explaining it was a fake, they asked for written proof on headed paper from an "expert" that the guitar was fake - so I wrote a letter on "Gagaryn Guitars" or similar headed paper confirming its fakeness including a picture of the guitar dismantled as proof of its "destruction" and he was promptly refunded.

The owner then got back in touch asking for it back - but it was explained to him that that ship had passed and the guitar was now in pieces.

(PS -The guitar may now be back in one piece, (albeit with a new loom and pup) in my living room, with "Chinese Fake!!" scratched into the pickup cavity and control cavity - I still really like the neck on it!)

Just so I haven't got the wrong end of the stick, you took it apart, wrote a letter of proof from your own 'company' then got your money back, then reassembled it and kept it?