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Same for the scale... I'm deliberately pushing it in a different direction, but don't know whether it's any good. Need to run it past my singing teacher this week I suppose.
I think it's good. I agree the first bit is better. It sounds a bit like west end stage show singing, but that is basically a compliment on the singing and consistent projection but yeah it does sound a bit scalar and linear. When the bloke sings it he has a bit of tremolo and brings in a subtle soft richness to it that makes it sound lush.
Edited: God I write some daft bollocks.
As an amateur with a lower baritone voice, I hear stuff like that Puscifer and think Yeah I can nail that, but in reality at that pitch, I just haven't got any control over noise and tone whatsoever, it's just a balls to the wall effort to get the notes out. I definitely think a capo is your friend, at least at first until your are comfortable, as the noise is just as important, if note more important than the notes. Drop it down a bit, get something more expressive, turn it up a notch, that would be my approach.
Oh and Drew, I like that song, haven't heard it before, I might give it a crack if you don't mind.
I seriously think that is the key to getting better, as it's like playing guitar off others and stuff when you are learning guitar, because everyone is so different eh and has a different take on it you learn so much. In fact it would be quite ace if several people could attempt they same song in the same key at the same pitch, it would throw so much more light on it and open up the learning curve so much faster I reckon for everybody.
So I tried some Ben Harper just now which I haven't before as in my melodrama mind, I figured most of his stuff was too high, it's in a similar sort of vein. Many people reckon Ben Harper can't sing, but he is exactly about the tone and the 'Not singing'. It was a total struggle to sing it as it's almost like singing breathing in. It's a delicate balance struggle between being too nasally and projected or just cracking as well as getting smooth transitions. It's really quite hard actually to get it to be soft and breathy, it still sounds cracky and nasally fuck sakes. I think it is a balance of upper chest and nose resonance at the same time and if at any time it goes either way to far or into your head, you lose it.
It's really hard to tune in to try and sing this sort of stuff (This and that Puscifer track) I reckon but it sounds so easy. I'm gonna practice this.
So you don't sound like you are singing full on with proper technique and massive projection at the West End theatre somewhere have you just tried simply doing impressions? Seriously, it works. It's exactly like guitar. You imitate and imitate and imitate the tone until it starts to come. I'd start with practicing Si-leeeeeence, the tremolo, the whole bit, imitate it until you get it somewhere in your body where it sounds similar. He is also doing something with his mouth or throwing his voice back and forth so it sounds phasey and gives it much more texture, it certainly isn't just simple head voice.
https://soundcloud.com/user360616451/bh-1
Fucking hell that sounds awful. Practice.
I think it'd be good if everyone had a go at the same song, not quite like solo of the month type stuff and judged, but kind of similar. Just be interesting to see how different it comes out with everyone's different registers and tones, ears and perceptions and takes on it.
I think it's really hard to be objective on your own singing efforts, especially if no one is openly criticising them. It's so easy to get caught up in it and think it's marvellous and then hear it again later and cringe that it the absolutely most dire thing ever recorded.
I'm totally neurotic and easily get caught up in the moment and try to self discipline myself but fail badly, it's more obvious to me now that others have really worked at it and some have had training as well. The thing about that cover Drew just did is that, for full on live electric stuff, which I guess is some of the reason at least why he is trying to develop his voice, that sort of projection will work great and I think maybe his mental emphasis is on the projection and hitting the higher registers.
Personally, I'm just trying to cling on to and grasp something, anything really so I can pretend to be someone I'm not and go down the pub in summer, lay it on and pull loads of chicks and make them wet their pants rather than just going down as the ginger comedy show. Also want to try to fill out the frequencies, especially if I start singing with this girl again who has a great, but really high and thinner voice.
Also work on the transitions so it doesn't sound like I'm still 13, but more importantly, get the motivation to develop it and open my ears, really by reading this thread and the like.
Hmm, not strictly. I'm deliberately trying to improve my dynamics - going from quiet to loud. Listening back I think I've got a fair ways to go.
Actually here is an older take of the same song:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/630473/Horizons (puscifer cover)_oldertake.mp3?dl
There are things I prefer about this one over the other one, and vice-versa. It's just about being more accurate I suppose.
A year of lessons will give you the essential building blocks, and then it's about turning that into something unique and part of your own style. I've got a long way to go at the moment and it's depressing when I look at it as one big thing. So I'm trying to break it up into smaller chunks.
So I had a go at that Drew. Granted, it's not very good and I can't remember the tune, but donno, it might help you to visualise messing a bit more, it might . I'm a bit half cut. But lie I said, you can sing, it's all about the radness.
https://soundcloud.com/user360616451/wank
Now, in retrospect, that really wasn't much help at all was it. Bollocks I'm gonna start on the wine now then.
It sounds like your releasing the hold on your vocal chords as you move you mouth to pronounce the "w" which puts the tone back a bit in your throat if you get what I mean, same thing to a lesser extent on "swirling". Listening back though it might be partly not being drip in the pronunciation. Ie it's more like a-wuh-ay than away and that uh sound doesn't have as much squeeze on the vocals.
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