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(I agree with gay marriage and think we should have it, but that whole thing was a mess. It seems a bit weird that you can be prosecuted for agreeing with the law. Especially when the law has no intention of changing.
"Look, we're on your side really, we prosecuted that bakery!"
"Can we have gay marriage then?"
"Don't push your luck!") Not quite. The cake had a slogan advocating for legalising gay marriage (we don't have gay marriage here), and they refused to bake the cake with the slogan on it. They'd have baked him a cake with no slogan.
It was actually a lot more complex than both sides gave it credit for, I think.
Plus I mean I think that's the case with most discrimination, and why it's very difficult to prove and very difficult to stamp it out- the person doing the discrimination only has to have the wit not to give a reason (or to invent a legally-valid reason) and it's very difficult to prove otherwise.
Of course the other big massive irony of the whole thing is that, if gay marriage had been legal here, there'd have been no need to ask for the cake to be baked either, since you don't normally need a cake with a slogan asking for something to be legalised which is already legal.
(Granted, he might have wanted a cake with a different slogan which they still may have disagreed with, I suppose, but possibly less likely since they seemed happy enough to serve him apart from the slogan thing.)
Although they still may have wanted to infringe on the Christian baker's freedom of speech by asking for something else pro-gay.
I mean, come on, there are plenty of other bakers. I'm not up for religious people discriminating but if they are not comfortable with it because of their beliefs...
Maybe I just don't like confrontation, but I still see it as an act against freedom of speech. It makes me sad that they can't even admit why they wouldn't want to bake the cake - the people would have asked why and they'd have had to say, "because". Yeah. Freedom.
Thread derail!
I have tried for these bugera amps loads, it never works. I remember their copy of the dual rec was up for ages for about two hundred quids and I tried to buy it every day, many emails sent etc. Annoying!
I will always remember it as "the gay cake case" now.
It's actually really complicated, and I'm not actually 100% sure what I think (except that both sides in it kind of annoyed me by oversimplifying a pretty complex problem to try to win the court case ). If they'd refused to sell him a cake (or any merchandise) because he was gay I'd totally agree that's discrimination.
But refusing to print a slogan promoting an issue you disagree with? Especially when that's not the main part of your business (it might be different if a sign or poster printer refused to do it, though even on that I'm not sure )? I'm not sure that that's quite the same thing. I dare say they imagined when saying they'd ice cakes that most of the requests would be "happy birthday"
I think I'm with Patrick Stewart on it, really.
I think that's what it was actually called by the media
As for slogans on cakes, if it were me, I'd put any old nonsense on there.. It's just a bloody cake, ffs..
And yeah. Though I dare say you'd have to be careful- not in this specific case, but say if someone asked you to ice something which was potentially libellous? Could you be held partially liable as the icer?
for now.
I'd have just put a great big marzipan penis on there.
A subtle statement that's not open to legal challenge.