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Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) dead? Trump wasting no time.

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FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
Good news for the UK and Europe - TPP is now dead. Good news for the UK as Trump wants to use the North American Free Trade Agreement - the UK could join.

President Trump pulled the US out of the world’s largest free trade agreement yesterday and threatened America’s biggest manufacturers with punitive tariffs as he moved swiftly to bury key parts of President Obama’s legacy.

Mr Trump signed an order withdrawing the US from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the 12-nation pact signed by his predecessor after years of negotiations. It would have cut 18,000 tariffs between countries including the US, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Vietnam, Australia and others, taking a big step towards creating a single market of goods and services twice the size of the European Union and covering 800 million people.

Mr Trump railed against the TPP as a key part of his campaign argument that globalisation was costing American jobs. “We’ve been talking about this for a long time,” he said as he signed the memorandum, calling it “a great thing for the American worker”.

He also made clear yesterday that he intends to confront Mexico and Canada urgently about their 23-year-old free trade deal. He said renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) would be the key issue when he meets President Peña Nieto of Mexico, and Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister, this month.

The order to withdraw from TPP talks was followed by two other executive orders: a directive to freeze government hiring except for military positions and a prohibition on the distribution of federal aid money to international charities that offer abortion services.

However, on his first full day in office, it was trade and jobs that Mr Trump wanted to emphasise. He told manufacturers over breakfast that he would impose a “very major” border tax on companies that moved operations abroad. Those present included executives from Lockheed Martin, Dow Chemical and Ford. He vowed to cut business taxes to less than 20 per cent, down from 35 per cent, and to slash at least 75 per cent of government regulations to entice companies to build in America.

Mr Trump also met union leaders and asked them how he could improve the working lives of their members. “What we want to do is bring manufacturing back,” Mr Trump told the business leaders gathered in the Roosevelt Room. “It’s what the people wanted, it’s one of the reasons I’m sitting here instead of somebody else sitting here. And I think it’s something I’m good at.”

Mr Trump’s withdrawal from the TTP was in part symbolic: Mr Obama signed the US up to the deal but Congress declined to approve it. However, it underlined his intention to turn his protectionist rhetoric from the campaign trail into action. He had argued that free trade deals such as the TPP and Nafta harmed middle-class Americans by encouraging companies to move jobs abroad.



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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 28341
    Trump is a total asshat as a human being, but you can see why a large section of the American population voted for him. Day one and he's already shaking the tree. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72619
    Mussolini made the trains run on time.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    axisus said:
    Trump is a total asshat as a human being, but you can see why a large section of the American population voted for him. Day one and he's already shaking the tree. 
    He's a businessman. Let's hope he thinks fighting wars is a pointless waste of cash.

    I wonder if/how Fender will be affected?

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    ICBM said:
    Mussolini made the trains run on time.
    Hitler ended the Great Depression and got the USA back to full employment.

    Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
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  • ICBM said:
    Mussolini made the trains run on time.
    http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 6265
    The TPP would not have been a good thing for the UK or the EU. It is one less thing to deal with in the process of getting a good deal with the USA once we are out of the EU. US = massive market, storng economy, lots of opportunity. It also means, I think, getting a future deal with China may be easier for the UK. It also means that we can be more flexible in dealing with each Asian nation. No bad thing as their economies are all growing, but some much faster than others.

    In all, probably no bad thing really. Obama's foreign policy wasn't his best point.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72619
    ICBM said:
    Mussolini made the trains run on time.
    http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
    I did actually know that, but it's a widely-understood shorthand for saying that bad leaders occasionally do some good. Even if it isn't quite true.

    I actually suspect Trump may turn out to be more like Mussolini than Hitler, in fact.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

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  • ICBM said:
    I actually suspect Trump may turn out to be more like Mussolini than Hitler, in fact.
    As in, fucking useless and destined to die at the hands of his own people? Let's hope.

    Don't talk politics and don't throw stones. Your royal highnesses.

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    ICBM said:
    I actually suspect Trump may turn out to be more like Mussolini than Hitler, in fact.
    As in, fucking useless and destined to die at the hands of his own people? Let's hope.
    @english_bob

    Or the odd gunslinger .. :-)

    English Bob: Well there's a dignity royalty. A majesty that precludes the likelihood of assassination. If you were to point a pistol at a king or a queen your hands would shakes as though palsied.

    Barber: Oh I wouldn't point no pistol at nobody sir.

    English Bob: Well that's a wise policy, as wise policy. But if you did. I can assure you, if you did, that the sight of royalty would cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and you would stand... how shall I put it? In awe. Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?


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  • RavenousRavenous Frets: 1484
    Fretwired said:
    Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?

    Awww man, now you've gone and put us all on a CIA watch list.  I already have problems sleeping from the noise of the Black Helicopters....

    :)

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    Ravenous said:
    Fretwired said:
    Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?

    Awww man, now you've gone and put us all on a CIA watch list.  I already have problems sleeping from the noise of the Black Helicopters....

    :)

    Clint Eastwood will protect us .. :-)

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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 11916
    America First.

    Any deal with the UK we will get scraps and be the loser in the deal.

    We are not a large enough economy to have much leverage against the size of the US, if only we were a part of a larger block...oh wait...
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  • Fretwired said:
    Ravenous said:
    Fretwired said:
    Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?

    Awww man, now you've gone and put us all on a CIA watch list.  I already have problems sleeping from the noise of the Black Helicopters....

    :)

    Clint Eastwood will protect us .. :-)
    I'm guessing somebody didn't get the quote ;)
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    Fretwired said:
    Ravenous said:
    Fretwired said:
    Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?

    Awww man, now you've gone and put us all on a CIA watch list.  I already have problems sleeping from the noise of the Black Helicopters....

    :)

    Clint Eastwood will protect us .. :-)
    I'm guessing somebody didn't get the quote ;)
    Yep ..... :-)

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  • mellowsunmellowsun Frets: 2422
    This is what I was referring to when I said on another thread that he could turn out to be a good president in some ways.

    His rhetoric appeases the rednecks while his actions could boost the economy and generate jobs. And his (so far) lack of appetite for war is refreshing.

    He could get a lot of deals done. 

    On social policy he wants to turn back the clock to the 1950s but a lot of people on both sides of the Atlantic seem to want that too.

    Yet he's probably the sort of person who's mind could be changed with quiet persuasion by someone he respects. Liberals denouncing him and waving placards will have the opposite effect.

    hmm, on the other hand that does sound a bit like I'm advocating appeasement!
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  • mellowsun said:

    Yet he's probably the sort of person who's mind could be changed with quiet persuasion by someone he respects. 
    That, right there, is the big problem. The only people he's surrounding himself with are the very opposite of "informed", and half of them seem to be actively promoting far-right dogma and ideology as set against science and knowledge.

    For the rest of us, this might not be a bad thing (the slightly worrying relationship with Russia aside), but for Americans it's a pretty terrifying prospect. Possibly even more than we should be about Theresa May and her desire for an authoritarian state (I'm personally hoping that the Brexit turmoil lasts for the next four years to distract her until the next election).
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  • ChrisMusicChrisMusic Frets: 1133
    ICBM said:
    ICBM said:
    Mussolini made the trains run on time.
    http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
    I did actually know that, but it's a widely-understood shorthand for saying that bad leaders occasionally do some good. Even if it isn't quite true.

    I actually suspect Trump may turn out to be more like Mussolini than Hitler, in fact.
    Another worrying thought that !
    History has a habit of repeating itself...

    A slightly sideways look through the eyes of architecture and Jonathan Meades as he investigates the architecture of Mussolini's Italy, and discovers a dictator who couldn't dictate...

    Ben Building: Mussolini, Monuments and Modernism

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07d7nj9/ben-building-mussolini-monuments-and-modernism

    available for 9 days on iPlayer

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  • RavenousRavenous Frets: 1484
    Fretwired said:
    Ravenous said:
    Fretwired said:
    Now, a president... well I mean.. why not shoot a president?

    Awww man, now you've gone and put us all on a CIA watch list.  I already have problems sleeping from the noise of the Black Helicopters....

    :)

    Clint Eastwood will protect us .. :-)
    I'm guessing somebody didn't get the quote ;)

    (I did get the quote of course. Richard Harris in Unforgiven. Brilliant film...)
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 24601
    So the great wall of Mexico will get built, Muslims are being banned from entering the USA from certain countries and the oil pipeline from Canada to the USA that runs through sacred Native American lands is back on again - Trump's reversed Obama's ban. He's not hanging around is he ... alienating millions of people on the way.

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  • Fretwired said:
    So the great wall of Mexico will get built, Muslims are being banned from entering the USA from certain countries and the oil pipeline from Canada to the USA that runs through sacred Native American lands is back on again - Trump's reversed Obama's ban. He's not hanging around is he ... alienating millions of people on the way.
    On the bright side, the dollar is dropping against almost every currency in the world, so if anyone's visiting the US their £ will go a lot further...
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