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What I love about this clip is that as a Zep geek I can tell you've listened to loads of Zep live stuff.
Don't need to be sold on modeller tones as I've gigged a modeller into a PA right back since the POD2
I remember going to a Rise to Remain gig (anyone remember them?) and one of the support acts (who do complex twisty time sig changes, had a song called "huge hammers"?) and I'm pretty certain one band member was using pod farm on a laptop, a pod studio and presumably the PA.
Sounded pretty decent. Small venue, but lots of bare, hard walls and floors and not great general sound but it was listenable.
We are very lucky, these days. I remember the original bean coming out and total guitar said something like, "like it or not, the guitar world has changed forever" where guitarist magazine just ripped on it for being shit.
Frim my perspective I have a Matchless DC30, King Kobra, Dr Z jaz 20, Maz38, Carmen Ghia, Buddha SuperDrive, Fender Twin, 3 Blackstar Artisans, A Friedman BE100, a Friedman PT20, a Mesa MKIV, 65 Amps London to name but a few.
I also have a massive collection of pedals
Im not saying this to show off but to give you a bit of context to my opinion.
When I say the Helix is as good as a valve amp live it comes from 30 years of gigging and owning a lot of decent valve amps
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Modellers are not as good as valve amps .. fact.
I have to disagree
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exactly that same as you really… like why it never worked for you in the end..
confused me quite a bit at the time..
there may be something in what you're saying though about my cabs..
they're certainly nothing special.. but they do seem to 'join in' and add their bit to the tone in a good way…
to be honest, I remember trying a VH4 through 1960's and I preferred them to the Diezel cabs.. they had more punch..
those Herbert ch3 and 5153Blue tones you were calling up were wonderful..
and those Herbert ch2 and 5153 Green cleans were breath taking
I actually tried those with the DC Band presets.. as lovely as they were, they turned out to be a little heavy handed for that particular band, so I ended up using the Tucana3 clean.. it just seems to work better in context with the needs of that particular band...
absolutely… we must do this again some time..
maybe it's because when you're just listening to a recording through studio monitors, you're not getting that feeling from the guitar cabs.. that's a whole different thing…
cathedral organs are the same too… they sound great on a CD..
stand next to a real one [especially a really big one] and it's a whole different experience
Mesa .50 caliber into a celestion loaded marshall 1960 compared to running an atomic amplifire into the effects return with no cab sim and using a variety of different 'preamps'.
The mesa preamp really was just better. The most tangible difference was feel. The same way that a £2k guitar just plays better than a £200 one. Hard to describe lucidly but definitely there.
I do not believe it is just confirmation bias.
I still think my amplifire is a brilliant piece of kit and use it much more than my amp. But if you are measuring it solely on tone and feel then it isn't as good.
Agree with all other comments related to practicality etc. Modellers are miles ahead.
Ive had an Atomic and they are ok but not into the FX return of a valve amp. They sound much better into FRFR although having said that I still didn't particularly get on with mine. I couldn't gig it.
try a well set Kemper or axe8 or a helix into an FRFR rig and you might feel differently
Of course your preamp won, it's no contest.
Theres a pattern emerging here. Those who have gone all in - 100% are feeling good about their tone, some who try to shoehorn a modeller into an analog rig aren't getting so much luck. It's all about how it's set up and the gear you use to do that...and it couldn't be simpler for me...Axe FX into 2 Yamaha DXR10s, done.
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
What I'm talking about is that everything else being equal on a like for like single sound (say your BE100), dicking around somewhere you can turn it up loud, you'd take the Helix over the BE100 for tone and tone alone?
I'm genuinely interested.
I don't exaggerate when I say that this truly is the best I've ever sounded and not unlike @Cabicular, I've been a valve man for nearly 20 years and had a few valve amps (not as many, granted).
Just re-read your post, perhaps you'll not consider the above as "equal" but that's the point, they're not equal.
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Having the option of turning a single channel amp into a two or three channel amp is great and as long as you are realistic with which models you choose you will get great results
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
I thought Guthrie Govan's observation was interesting, in that he still preferred valves, just because they were valves and he was used to valves and had an emotional connection with valves. Therefore a valve amp made him play better, in his head. With any gear, being comfortable and forgetting the gear is important. How you achieve that, less so.
what madness is this?!!
I reserve my right to shoehorn any and all new tech into my rig in the manner I see fit.
Now excuse me I'm going to watch Avatar (enhanced HD directors cut)BluRay on my 12" B&W 1970's telly.