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That could tempt me back toward the HX
Far more likely there's be and HX Amp unit I'd have thought
The whole point of the M-series was that it *DID NOT* have amp modelling. It was 100% better (and more long-legged as a product) for it. If you really need a back up for your amp like that, buy a stand alone pedal amp simulator that suits you - I guarantee it'll spend most of its life in the bottom of your gig bag/case doing nothing.
There are significantly more guitarists who use real amps and pedals than those who use modelers. I might suggest there are more guitarists who actively despise the very notion of amp modeling than those who embrace modelers. That is, if HX Effects had amps and cabs, it might attract fewer guitarists.
I’ve also often thought that all some of the other manufacturers operating at the lower price point (Boss / Zoom etc) needed to do to make their products apear more upmarket was to loose the amp modelling.
they will sound the same won't they?
I'm just trying to get an angle on this as I'd have thought by doing that, it would sound the same as the HX.
I know the Zoom Multistomps don't have the same processing power at the Helix stuff nor are they in the same league but the reason I got rid of my MS-50G and moved over to the MS-70CDR was because when I disabled the amps, ODs, compression etc, there was tone suck and a difference in sound. Not so with the FX only MS-70CDR.
Oh, I've cut out my paper template of the HX dimensions and tried it for size already on my board. He's hoping it delivers and lives up to the press as I'm hoping to keep my core drives as they were v.well together and plumb them into the unit
EDIT: seen the new price. That's prohibitive
If you had an amp model first in the chain and adaptive input impedance then removing the amp might change the sound depending on what was then next in the chain. And the amp modelling obviously affects the sound so it's hard to answer the question. You wouldn't normally use amp modelling if you're using a physical amp as well, surely?
FWIW, I have encountered no tone suck at all using Helix in 4CM. If anything, it's improved the tone. Can't imagine why HXFX would be different. I'll let you know when I get one.
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