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He may have been incompetent (apparently he drove around for six hours), but his INTENT is what counts isn't it?
I wouldn't agree with a lot of what you've put there, particularly how you define terrorism.
I think the early assumption that it was an Islamic terrorist attack was fair. If we look back over the last few of years at reported incidents involving vehicles ploughing into people in public spaces, most of the perps have been non white people with an Islamic extremist nature. Its a reasonable assumption to make, whether the assumption is correct or not.
I don't hear of any Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist extremists carrying out these attacks, but I do hear reports of attacks by Islamic extremists. So, either they aren't happening, or only the Islamic ones are being reported.
Terrorism acc to Oxford Dictionary : The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. I think its reasonable to insert "ideology" alongside "political" too.
I'd therefore say its a not unreasonable assumption to think that this was a terrorist attack, subject to any subsequent evidence emerging, no?
I admire your attempt NOT to jumpt to conclusions, but I think we can safely say it is probably a terrorist.
I read somewhere that he wasn't known to counter terror police, but that he was known to local police where he lives. That suggests some kind of anti-social misfit. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a history of mental health issues.
He's originally from Sudan, so that suggests there could be an "Islamic" element to it.
I think you misconstrued my argument on terrorism, so to be clear, ideology whatever the type, not exclusively political ideology, so yes of course, religious ideology. That was my point really (in respect of the Oxf definition) - it doesn't have to be just a political ideology, certainly not in the current climate of regular Islamic terror attacks.
I'd put anyone using violence and fear to convey an ideology in the terrorist bucket: I don't see how you couldn't tbh.
I don't think the assumption that its terrorism is driven by the perps colour either. Its the means - the driving of a van into an area full of pedestrians. By comparison, when that fella (white) drove into crowds in London, to kill muslims, that was quickly classed as a terror attack.
Someone drives a van into pedestrians, in a busy city, outside a notable landmark. In all likelihood, based on past events, its highly likely its an Islamic terrorist. History, and very recent history, would indicate that. Similarly if a suicide bomber acts somewhere, there is a very high chance, again based on recent history, that its going to be an Islamic terrorist. So, not surprisingly the initial thought is this.
Sad state of affairs, but this is the current way of the world.
In the 70s and 80s, even 90s, when a bomb went off in a British city, the first thought was - IRA terror attack. Same argument
And let's not forget. More people, significantly more, died in the last few years from being fat than from terrorism, certainly in this country if not in the world in general. So one lone nutter with some delusions of a greater cause should not cause people to fear a terrorist threat surely?
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Wasn't Darren Osbourne an EDL supporter?
The guy who drove his truck into the crowd outside the mosque in Finsbury park (from the BBC):
A man who drove a van into a crowd of Muslims near a London mosque has been found guilty of murder.
Darren Osborne, 48, ploughed into people in Finsbury Park in June last year, killing Makram Ali, 51, and injuring nine others.
Osborne, from Cardiff, was also found guilty of attempted murder and is due to be sentenced on Friday.
Prosecutors said they were "clear throughout that this was a terrorist attack".
The jury took an hour to return the verdict at Woolwich Crown Court after a nine day trial.
Osborne started following Tommy Robinson, one of the founders of the English Defence League (EDL), and other far-right leaders on social media, in the fortnight before the attack.
Mr Robinson sent him a group email saying: "There is a nation within a nation forming beneath the surface of the UK. It is a nation built on hatred, on violence and on Islam."
He was obviously and rightly considered a terrorist.
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