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I'm sure Modelles are a lot easier and less faff when you’ve got them setup....but it reminds me of Mrs Doyle on Father Ted when she received the tea maker for Christmas...it’s not the sound of a valve amp I like better or the ease of use, it’s the removal of modern day intervention and the romanticism of it all. I view pedals like a train enthusiast must view buying a new model locomotive. I break out into a cold sweat when I see a USB port on anything guitar related....
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theres no wrong or right, whatever floats your boat
You just like them in a different box with less features
Reading this thread it seems that the idea I had and gave away a few weeks ago might be relevant after all.
In a nutshell I contemplated creating am amp that looked like a famous amp but was internally a digital model.
So for example, something that had exactly the same controls as a JCM 800. However internally the modelling only modelled a JCM 800 but did so fully, from the cleans through to the fully distorted sounds, and you got those sounds by turning the controls just as you would do on a genuine Marshall JCM 800.
No other amps are modelled, nor extra effects or anything else that takes away from it being a JCM 800. Much cheaper of course, but fully modelled.
One of the frustrations I have is that you rarely get modellers that give the clean tones of amps such as Marshalls or Vox Top Boost channels. Not all of us want just the driven sounds. I think Marshall cleans are a great sound but you can’t get them unless you own a genuine valve Marshall. Which is costly.
Putting aside amp manufacturers complaints (which might be worked around by licensing) I thought it was probably about ten years out of date, but perhaps not as it seems that a modelling system with the same controls as the original, might be a solution to the complexity of the user interface that some find difficult to use.
Knobs - tick
Easy to understand terminology, (treble, mids, bass, etc) - tick
I know some people love the look and feel of valve amps and of course that's cool. I'm not sure though that I understand the argument that these modellers are too complicated. The Helix models amps and pedals without adding anything that's not there on the original, (aside from perhaps sag and cab settings which are easily ignored).
So the process of adding a pedal or amp into a signal path is something new to learn. But you only need to learn it once and its very simple. The choosing of an amp or pedal is quick - quicker than ordering one of the physical equivalents online and waiting for it to be delivered at any rate. ;-)
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I find myself in several camps, depending on the context. With a background in large scale IT projects I’m comfortable dealing with complexity. When playing live I want the simplicity of limited options.
As an example, I use different wah settings (Q and frequency range) for rhythm and solo playing. Configuring it took time and effort, including testing at gig volume, but the result is that I don’t have to put attention into it when playing. To achieve this without a modeller I’d need two wahs on my pedal board.
As a second example, how many of us spend time and money buying and selling drive pedals in search of “that” sound. With a modeller you can go through a number of options in an hour, AND begin to understand how factors (EQ, compression, drive, etc) affect what you’re hearing. Having been through that learning curve I now have drive pedal models which match the amp models which I use. When I kick in Drive I don’t have to worry which of several pedals to hit.
But that's another argument and each to their own!