The Matrix is kinda crap

WiresDreamDisasters · December 2019

I dunno guys. I loved it before. But I watched it this week and was kinda annoyed by the "us and them" mentality packaged within it. I couldn't focus on the action hero because the preachiness just kept shining through. I never really spotted it before.

For example the scene where they're in the training simulation with the red woman. Morpheus is ranting about how anyone in the matrix is an enemy because they could be used by the agents and the system. That's as far as the analysis goes.

The whole thing is an allegory for our society, and I find the model presented completely lacking. But I do like guns and trenchcoats tho.

Far from my thinking becoming "simpler" as I get older, where I'm willing to take sides and join tribes, like the typical thinking goes. I find myself way more open minded about things. "Maybe this person can teach me something..." or "maybe I don't know everything...."

The "goodies" in the matrix are so sure of themselves that it kinda sucks. The only person to even contemplate what the matrix actually is ends up bring burned alive by a raygun. And he's painted like a steak lovin' egomaniac tart. Us and them bullshit again.

I think I'd rather watch My Girl.

fastonebaz · December 2019

You're entirely missing the point. It's a religious film to symbolise lack of free will.

All bollocks. There is no god. There is no point. There just is, this. Enjoy.

WiresDreamDisasters · December 2019

fastonebaz said:

All bollocks.

Not anymore

robgilmo · December 2019

I feel the same way about the alien films, first time round was great, nowadays though, I mean, how many times can one person go through the whole ''an alien is aboard, all the crew is dead, get to the life boat, blow the ship'' routine? It was all done in the first Alien film, let it go. Loads of great films back then I find utterly tedious to watch these days.

Emp_Fab · December 2019

Aliens was a great fillum. Better than the original IMO. However, for the accolade of ‘most flogged to death franchise’ I nominate Jurassic Park. “Let’s profit from the dinosaurs, Oh shit they’ve escaped, running, screaming, deaths, resolution”. Having said that, the Alien franchise is pretty much identical.

robgilmo · December 2019

Emp_Fab said:

Aliens was a great fillum. Better than the original IMO. However, for the accolade of ‘most flogged to death franchise’ I nominate Jurassic Park. “Let’s profit from the dinosaurs, Oh shit they’ve escaped, running, screaming, deaths, resolution”. Having said that, the Alien franchise is pretty much identical.

Just repeats of the same story rather than the story continues, 2001/2010 , now that was a follow up, I would have liked to see them make more as per the books though, and lets face it , Roy Scheider in space? Whats not to like.

We're gonna need a bigger ship Roy!

darthed1981 · December 2019

Just because you find less in it every time you watch it doesn't make it worse. The much bashed sequels spend time pointing out it isn't one sided.

The woman in the red dress isn't to point out everyone is an enemy but that anyone can be, it's not a great metaphor but it works for a two hour film.

DiscoStu · December 2019

Alien freaked me out the first time, but not since. It's just too slow. Aliens is by far the better film.
As a Star Wars fan, the same goes for A New Hope. I saw it age 7 in my father's cinema (he was the manager) and it was life changing. And then Empire came out and blew it out the water. I still watch Empire now and get tingles of excitement whereas Star Wars (it's Star Wars, alright?) is pedestrian and in places, pantomime.

But Matrix? Hell no, Matrix is the best of the lot and is still totally strong. Thought provoking. The rest are 'just' sci-fi.

And then Jurassic Park. Classic. The sequels though? They were so preoccupied with where they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

Bellycaster · December 2019

"Alien" is a Horror film that is set in "Space"........It's an Outer Space "Haunted House" Fillum!

"Aliens" is an Action Film because it was the 80's innit!

ToneControl · December 2019

WiresDreamDisasters said:

I dunno guys. I loved it before. But I watched it this week and was kinda annoyed by the "us and them" mentality packaged within it. I couldn't focus on the action hero because the preachiness just kept shining through. I never really spotted it before.

For example the scene where they're in the training simulation with the red woman. Morpheus is ranting about how anyone in the matrix is an enemy because they could be used by the agents and the system. That's as far as the analysis goes.

The whole thing is an allegory for our society, and I find the model presented completely lacking. But I do like guns and trenchcoats tho.

Far from my thinking becoming "simpler" as I get older, where I'm willing to take sides and join tribes, like the typical thinking goes. I find myself way more open minded about things. "Maybe this person can teach me something..." or "maybe I don't know everything...."

The "goodies" in the matrix are so sure of themselves that it kinda sucks. The only person to even contemplate what the matrix actually is ends up bring burned alive by a raygun. And he's painted like a steak lovin' egomaniac tart. Us and them bullshit again.

I think I'd rather watch My Girl.

yep, that's what happens when age brings wisdom. Sounds like cult doesn't it?

real life brings lots of subtleties and shades of grey. Less absolutism.

yet these can be fun films after a couple of de-woking drinks, same as the old Clint Eastwood films

soma1975 · December 2019

Sounds like something someone who took the blue pill would say...

Blaendulais · December 2019

How can u even discuss the Matrix without mentioning the conceivability hypothesis - its not an allegory for society its a discussion of conciousness and feasibility, metaphysically at least, of the existence of zombies

TheMarlin · December 2019

Now do V for Vendetta!

WiresDreamDisasters · December 2019

TheMarlin said:

Now do V for Vendetta!

Nah, I loved that movie. Well... at the time!

digitalscream · December 2019

WiresDreamDisasters said:

The whole thing is an allegory for our society, and I find the model presented completely lacking. But I do like guns and trenchcoats tho.

It's not an allegory for our society now, it's an allegory for the state of religion in society 20 years ago.

WiresDreamDisasters said:

The "goodies" in the matrix are so sure of themselves that it kinda sucks. The only person to even contemplate what the matrix actually is ends up bring burned alive by a raygun. And he's painted like a steak lovin' egomaniac tart. Us and them bullshit again.

That's kind of the point - they're so sure of themselves, but they're wrong. Spectacularly. They've swallowed the religious edicts hook, line and sinker and never questioned where they came from, and so their city is mostly destroyed and they're almost wiped out.

RustySpanner · December 2019

The Matrix is like being cornered at a party by a teenager who has just discovered mushrooms.

Alien is one of the greatest films of all time.

Aliens is a formulaic pile of American "action" toss, loved by people who have the attention span of a gnat and an erotic attachment to guns.

equalsql · December 2019

DiscoStu said:

Alien freaked me out the first time, but not since. It's just too slow. Aliens is by far the better film.
As a Star Wars fan, the same goes for A New Hope. I saw it age 7 in my father's cinema (he was the manager) and it was life changing. And then Empire came out and blew it out the water. I still watch Empire now and get tingles of excitement whereas Star Wars (it's Star Wars, alright?) is pedestrian and in places, pantomime.

I hate it when Star Wars is called A New Hope. It was Star Wars when it came out and conquered the world and Lucas should have left it at that. 'A New Hope' is such a shitty name for such a great film. And don't get me started on Jabba..

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WiresDreamDisasters · December 2019

I watched Reloaded last night.

The special effects were grim. The whole thing looks like a cheap B movie. It was actually embarrassing in a few places. I was less embarrassed watching the Conan remake.

WiresDreamDisasters · December 2019

I will watch Revolutions tonight, and this whole sorry saga will be over.

axisus · December 2019

Alien > Aliens.

Philly_Q · December 2019

I liked the Matrix at the time but I haven't watched it since seeing the sequels because they were both utter shite. The original might still be good, it might have dated badly but I'll probably never find out.

I like Alien and Aliens, they're both great but different.

Star Wars was great when I was 13 but it's actually a pretty poor film and George Lucas is a hopeless director.

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