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Band Stuff: https://navigationofficial.bandcamp.com/album/silhouette-ep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwN60xWnfhs
Here we get the benefit of hearing a (16th note) count-in from Glenn Frey confirming that the first guitar hit comes before the beat. On the studio version the count-in is omitted and we can easily (wrongly) hear the pattern displaced by half a beat and weirdly sounding exactly like a beginner's "basic/campfire" strum (D-DU-UDU).
My version is drawn up in 8th notes rather than 16th but the timing is the same. Others I know of that can "trick" our ears similarly ... "Sex on Fire" (it's rare to see a cover band timing it the way it was written; the first note on the record is played on beat 4) ... "This Charming Man" by the Smiths which starts on beat 2 ... "Lonely Boy" by Andrew Gold where the offbeats can pull us upside-down If anyone knows any more I'd love to hear them.
is it crazy how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how crazy it is?
That band is a great source of "offbeat" intros though there's usually enough there to define the first beat clearly. In Live Wire the bass is laying down the count in 8th notes and the guitar hits land on the "and" of beat 4 just like the lead guitar hits in Take it Easy!
I've seen Highway to Hell cause confusion a few times. It starts on the "and" of beat 3 as does my favourite ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0hEDUEXK-c
“Theory is something that is written down after the music has been made so we can explain it to others”– Levi Clay
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/songs-where-you-hear-the-intro-in-a-different-time-signature-than-it-actually-is.254841/page-7
Seeing the Police mentioned in there now reminds me that I used to hear "Walking on the Moon" upside-down for the longest time. May have to add that to my bucket list.
in fact there's a series of vids on you tube about this
https://youtu.be/bISlb3byI6k
https://www.youtube.com/user/Richiesos/search?query=f-ing+beat
He has a new subscriber and I'll look forward to having a dig through!
The drum fill starts on a 3...misses the 1 and lands a kick on the 1-and...that’s pretty jarring.
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
We had a problem in our band with Sex On Fire. I explained the way I count it and had a friendly disagreement with our drummer who heard it differently. But when just the two of us played it together we were perfectly in sync with each other. It seemed to be the rest of the band were off, so in the end we gave up and decided to start it with the chorus.
Better an incorrect version that gets them clapping than a correct version that doesn't!
Can always tweak things at a later date anyway ... send your band members a link to this examination by Paul Davids ... even non-musicians can enjoy his videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDKUaJFNfE
Thanks gents, I'm with you on that now.
Is it doable to start that second guitar part in the right place using just Dave's (delay effected) strums as the guide?