Land for sale

Dav275 · October 2021

Nitefly said:

Iamnobody said:

pmbomb said:

Iamnobody said:

Dav275 said:

Axe_meister said:

We are anti-social bastards so looking for a house in the country with no neighbours.

Or, this has just come on the market near me. https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/114459959#/?channel=RES_BUY

No issues with nosey/noisy neighbours there!

map shows it's right by an A road, cunningly not shown in the photos.

So it does, but it’s set back a good 60 metres I’d say from the road. No neighbours just the distant hum of traffic!

The "distant hum" of about 3 cars a day, I'd bet.

About right. Plus the occasional tractor!

Dominic · October 2021

trolley said:

I heard a few years ago that for the builders every 4th house is straight profit (it's probably every 2-3 by now). So they can afford to pay much more for the land. Sadly.

Yes that equates to about 25 % return on a huge capital investment with a relatively slow realisation.
I would be surprised to see any business model that was a bankable concern that was able to operate on less ;in fact compared to the 700% rapid margin on retail Coffee shop sales or the 400% retail clothing margin it seems they are positively slaughtering themselves.
Note to Housebuilders ..........must increase margins.

ToneControl · October 2021

Axe_meister said:

Why is it so hard to find land for sale?
In the next 4 to 5 years we are looking to move out of the big smoke. We are anti-social bastards so looking for a house in the country with no neighbours. One of the options is maybe a self build via a kit house.
There do not seem to be any good land for sale sites that you don't have to pay for. And what land I have found is mostly to build multiple small houses on.
I assume that new planning laws are geared towards building lots of small houses due to the housing shortage. So anybody like me looking to upsize to a new build is turned off the idea.

very hard
supply and demand, driven by idiotic planning laws

pragmatic approach is to buy a knackered house and demolish it

There are sites on websites, but usually overpriced

Easier to buy an existing building most likely. Old pubs are cheap, but another planning battle to change their use

Other tactic is Live/work, easier to get permission for that. Need for most of the floorspace to be a business, harder for planners to refuse

jonnyburgo · October 2021

Try to build an eco-house on your own land, not a chance. Mr McAlpine wants to build 7 square miles of concrete on greenbelt-suitcase full of cash will do nicely Sir.

Roland · October 2021

WiresDreamDisasters said:

TTony said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

A friend of mine lives in Oxford. His family owns some land. They're not allowed to build on it. The family owns it. The council says no.

Go figure that out.

It's because the council has the job of ensuring responsible/sustainable/appropriate (etc) development.

The truth is, the council wants them to sell the land to a developer. Some shenanigrannies going on....

Councils have targets for new house building in their areas.

ToneControl · October 2021

Roland said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

TTony said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

A friend of mine lives in Oxford. His family owns some land. They're not allowed to build on it. The family owns it. The council says no.

Go figure that out.

It's because the council has the job of ensuring responsible/sustainable/appropriate (etc) development.

The truth is, the council wants them to sell the land to a developer. Some shenanigrannies going on....

Councils have targets for new house building in their areas.

And they are legally compelled to have those targets, and identify land to build on

ToneControl · October 2021

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Switch625 said:

Because capitalism...

Hardly.

It's because of corruption in the council system, and because of concerns about the green belt.

A friend of mine lives in Oxford. His family owns some land. They're not allowed to build on it. The family owns it. The council says no.

Go figure that out.

most of the reason is planning laws and policies set up since ww2 that prioritize several key outcomes, some of which frequently seem rather strange and obstructive

VimFuego · October 2021

ToneControl said:

Roland said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

TTony said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

A friend of mine lives in Oxford. His family owns some land. They're not allowed to build on it. The family owns it. The council says no.

Go figure that out.

It's because the council has the job of ensuring responsible/sustainable/appropriate (etc) development.

The truth is, the council wants them to sell the land to a developer. Some shenanigrannies going on....

Councils have targets for new house building in their areas.

And they are legally compelled to have those targets, and identify land to build on

I believe the targets are imposed by central govt. I don't think they have to identify land per se, everywhere should have something called a neighbourhood plan, that sets a boundary of where land can be developed, it's up to individual private landowners to apply for PP. However once that's done there's a set of procedures councils must adhere to when granting or refusing PP. So long as the process is followed correctly, then there's not a lot councils can do one way or another, no matter how much nimbyism they encounter.

WiresDreamDisasters · October 2021

The way I see it... man owns land.... man wants to build on land... he owns.....

That should be the end of the story.

Blaming this on capitalism is idiotic. This isn't capitalism. This is councils with a protection racket.

SUNBATHER · October 2021

Move to Canada, they're practically giving it away over there and you'll get much more for your money in all aspects of life and a better standard of living too. When we sold our semi detached house I looked at what that amount of money would get me in Canada, and I could buy a whole private island with a hotel, bar, events hall, campsite and about 200 acres of land for the same price. It needed a bit of work but I'm sure you could find something slightly smaller that's much nicer for that price too

VimFuego · October 2021

SUNBATHER said:

Move to Canada, they're practically giving it away over there and you'll get much more for your money in all aspects of life and a better standard of living too. When we sold our semi detached house I looked at what that amount of money would get me in Canada, and I could buy a whole private island with a hotel, bar, events hall, campsite and about 200 acres of land for the same price. It needed a bit of work but I'm sure you could find something slightly smaller that's much nicer for that price too

must confess, for a long time I did dream of doing this, the wide open spaces really appealed to me (and still do). But mrs f was dead set against it, and now I'm too old to have a realistic chance of getting in.

Winny_Pooh · October 2021

ToneControl said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Switch625 said:

Because capitalism...

Hardly.

It's because of corruption in the council system, and because of concerns about the green belt.

A friend of mine lives in Oxford. His family owns some land. They're not allowed to build on it. The family owns it. The council says no.

Go figure that out.

most of the reason is planning laws and policies set up since ww2 that prioritize several key outcomes, some of which frequently seem rather strange and obstructive

The priority seems to be maintaining house prices for those who already own. You could argue otherwise, but if you look at population figures versus house-building, it's having this direct result.

Dominic · October 2021

No,this isn't the case.......property prices are a free market subject to simple supply and demand economics but related to economic factors prevailing such as interest rates ,LIBOR rates etc.
Tell your "maintaining prices for those who already own " to the millions caught with substantial negative equity during the Norman Lamont era not so long ago or more accutely to those old enough to remember the resounding crashes of 1969,1972 and the debacle of 1988.
I'm not just argueing otherwise ........your statement is preposterous and very much disproved.

Limehouse_Blues · October 2021

Switch625 said:

Because capitalism...

Feudalism more like

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