The Theresa May General Election thread (edited)

fields5069

I wonder if more will follow.

Fretwired

Amber Rudd looks like she could lose her seat in Hastings ....

Cirrus

Drew_TNBD said:

If Corbyn shouldn't have to answer questions about supposed terrorist sympathies, why should May subject herself to the baying hounds?

Because she's the prime minister, a week before an election, there are many issues that matter a lot to the populace, and her manifesto is vague. She's set herself up as a strong leader to guide the country through difficult EU negotiations, ergo people should have a chance to see her perform and judge her on her own criteria.

Ignoring the premise of your question not really being based in reality, given that Corbyn seems to have done nothing but deal with questions about his supposed terrorist sympathies for months. People can make up their own minds in that regard because they have the answers a hundred times over.

Heartfeltdawn

Drew_TNBD said:

If Corbyn shouldn't have to answer questions about supposed terrorist sympathies, why should May subject herself to the baying hounds?

1) Because she's the Prime Minister
2) He has made himself available to the baying hounds.

DarnWeight

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-general-election-polls-labour-hits-40-points-as-women-and-middleaged-voters-desert-theresa-may-a3555376.html

Another poll showing the Tory lead cut to 5% (45% Con, 40% Lab, 7% LD).  Seemed to be some skepticism about the methodology used in the recent YouGov one, but the numbers from this one (Ipsos MORI) look to be in the same ball-park.

rocktron

The UK is leaving the EU, but I detect a campaign for a change in government, by any means, by those who want to remain in the EU, in order to negotiate a Brexit which would still leave the UK entangled in the EU.  

Well see on June 8th.

This book is interesting: Myth and Paradox of the Single Market.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=myth+and+paradox+of+the+single+market

You can Look Inside to read a summary here:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myth-Paradox-benefits-membership-mis-sold-ebook/dp/B01B3RRY02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496402071&sr=8-1&keywords=myth+and+paradox+of+the+single+market

Myranda

Is this what happens in elections now? 

May had a lead, her opponent was sufficiently despised by his own MPs that they repeatedly attempted to overthrow him... Christ short of claiming to be the reincarnation of Vlad the Impaler this should have been a landslide... Then wandering around yelling Brexit this and brexit that instead of coming up with a decent manifesto and then scribbling something down on a fag packet. 

Hell Corbyn has been able to price up just 1/6th of his manifesto and people are accepting it because it's at least less crap than May's... Sure he'll bankrupt the country... But he's looking a better pick than her right now... 

Do you think she plans on executing Corbyn during the debate? I can't see how else she can come back

PolarityMan

So I got back from a 2 week holiday last fri and have only just caught up with the election. May's confidence looks completely shattered. She has shown I think extremely poor performance under pressure.

I still think Corbyn doesn't have the competence so Im kind of resigned to the fact that any majority government is going to be pretty shambolic.

As for my vote I'm thinking lib-dem this time round, mostly as the local candidate has held the seat in the past and proved to be better than the current Tory incumbant (who seems to be MIA).

I think this shows that both parties have talent pipeline problems too.

PolarityMan

I also have no idea why the lib-dems werent agile enough to run on a reverse-brexit manifesto with anyone other than that berk Farron as the figurehead that would have had them hoovering up the remain vote and given them in my opinion their first ever shot at forming a government.

fields5069

rocktron said:

The UK is leaving the EU, but I detect a campaign for a change in government, by any means, by those who want to remain in the EU, in order to negotiate a Brexit which would still leave the UK entangled in the EU.  

Well see on June 8th.

This book is interesting: Myth and Paradox of the Single Market.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=myth+and+paradox+of+the+single+market

You can Look Inside to read a summary here:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myth-Paradox-benefits-membership-mis-sold-ebook/dp/B01B3RRY02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496402071&sr=8-1&keywords=myth+and+paradox+of+the+single+market

The author sounds like a bit of an amateur to me:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85905

english_bob

fields5069 said:

I wonder if more will follow.

More what? Follow what?

More politics? Nah, I think after this election they'll all just give up.

Drew_TNBD

Cirrus said:

Drew_TNBD said:

If Corbyn shouldn't have to answer questions about supposed terrorist sympathies, why should May subject herself to the baying hounds?

Because she's the prime minister, a week before an election, there are many issues that matter a lot to the populace, and her manifesto is vague. She's set herself up as a strong leader to guide the country through difficult EU negotiations, ergo people should have a chance to see her perform and judge her on her own criteria.

Ignoring the premise of your question not really being based in reality, given that Corbyn seems to have done nothing but deal with questions about his supposed terrorist sympathies for months. People can make up their own minds in that regard because they have the answers a hundred times over.

My question *IS* based in reality. Of course it is!! Because whenever it crops up there are tons of people all over the country who say he shouldn't have to answer them and that we are all bad people for even daring to ask! It's not about whether he did or not, it's about whether he should or not. And people seem to think on the whole that he shouldn't.

Because she's the prime minister, a week before an election

As to this... when Corbyn is PM (and I think he will win, having seen social media and newspapers over the last week or so) will it be okay for him to answer them at that point? Will a firm rejection of the IRA be an acceptable request?

Drew_TNBD

Heartfeltdawn said:

Drew_TNBD said:

If Corbyn shouldn't have to answer questions about supposed terrorist sympathies, why should May subject herself to the baying hounds?

1) Because she's the Prime Minister
2) He has made himself available to the baying hounds.

See my above response to Cirrus. I'm not talking about their responses to those situations. I'm talking about OUR responses to their responses.

I'm far more interested in talking about society than I am political parties.

rocktron

fields5069 said:

The author sounds like a bit of an amateur to me:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85905

Really?  You should read the first comment in the link you supplied:-

.Michael Burrage CV-

Michael Burrage is a director of Cimigo, which is based in Ho Chi
Minh City, Vietnam, and conducts market and corporate strategy
research in China, India and 12 countries in the Asia Paciic region.
He is also a founder director of a start-up specialist telecom
company which provides the free telephone interpreter service for
aid workers and others where interpreters are scarce. 
He is a sociologist by training, was a Fulbright scholar at the
University of Pennsylvania, has been a lecturer at the London
School of Economics and at the Institute of United States Studies,
specialising in the comparative analysis of industrial enterprise and
professional institutions. He has been a research fellow at Harvard,
at the Swedish Collegium of Advanced Study, Uppsala, at the Free
University of Berlin, and at the Center for Higher Education Studies
and the Institute of Government of the University of California,
Berkeley. He has also been British Council lecturer at the University
of Pernambuco, Recife, Brazil, and on several occasions a visiting
professor in Japan, at the universities of Kyoto, Hokkaido and
Kansai and at Hosei University in Tokyo.
He has written articles in American, European and Japanese
sociological journals, conducted a comparative study of telephone
usage in Tokyo, Manhattan, Paris and London for NTT, and a study
of British entrepreneurs for Ernst & Young. His publications include
Revolution and the Making of the Contemporary Legal Profession:
England, France and the United States (OUP, 2006) and Class Formation,
Civil Society and the State: A comparative analysis of Russia, France, the
United States and England (Palgrave Macmillan, 2008). He edited
Martin Trow: Twentieth-century higher education: from elite to
mass to universal (Johns Hopkins, 2010). 

fields5069

english_bob said:

fields5069 said:

I wonder if more will follow.

More what? Follow what?

More politics? Nah, I think after this election they'll all just give up.

Doh. I posted just after I saw the CPS ruling, i.e. will more CPS rulings follow on possible Tory fraud.

fields5069

rocktron said:

fields5069 said:

The author sounds like a bit of an amateur to me:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85905

Really?  You should read the first comment in the link you supplied:-

.Michael Burrage CV-

Michael Burrage is a director of Cimigo, which is based in Ho Chi
Minh City, Vietnam, and conducts market and corporate strategy
research in China, India and 12 countries in the Asia Paciic region.
He is also a founder director of a start-up specialist telecom
company which provides the free telephone interpreter service for
aid workers and others where interpreters are scarce. 
He is a sociologist by training, was a Fulbright scholar at the
University of Pennsylvania, has been a lecturer at the London
School of Economics and at the Institute of United States Studies,
specialising in the comparative analysis of industrial enterprise and
professional institutions. He has been a research fellow at Harvard,
at the Swedish Collegium of Advanced Study, Uppsala, at the Free
University of Berlin, and at the Center for Higher Education Studies
and the Institute of Government of the University of California,
Berkeley. He has also been British Council lecturer at the University
of Pernambuco, Recife, Brazil, and on several occasions a visiting
professor in Japan, at the universities of Kyoto, Hokkaido and
Kansai and at Hosei University in Tokyo.
He has written articles in American, European and Japanese
sociological journals, conducted a comparative study of telephone
usage in Tokyo, Manhattan, Paris and London for NTT, and a study
of British entrepreneurs for Ernst & Young. His publications include
Revolution and the Making of the Contemporary Legal Profession:
England, France and the United States (OUP, 2006) and Class Formation,
Civil Society and the State: A comparative analysis of Russia, France, the
United States and England (Palgrave Macmillan, 2008). He edited
Martin Trow: Twentieth-century higher education: from elite to
mass to universal (Johns Hopkins, 2010). 

No need! He still sounds like a bit of an amateur. His qualifications and experience have no bearing, nor should they. We all know you can find any number of conflicting opinions among experts, but his methodology does seem desperate and amateur in places.

ICBM

PolarityMan said:

I also have no idea why the lib-dems werent agile enough to run on a reverse-brexit manifesto with anyone other than that berk Farron as the figurehead that would have had them hoovering up the remain vote and given them in my opinion their first ever shot at forming a government.

I said that when the election was called. That was the almost certain way to appeal to most of the 48% who voted Remain. They needn't have even had anything else on the manifesto. They want a second referendum - they should have made this it.

But they were too weak to grasp the opportunity, and now it's quite clear that they are going to face the classic third-party squeeze as tactical voters who might have voted for them justifiably turn to Labour as the only means of getting rid of May. 

Drew_TNBD

ICBM said:

PolarityMan said:

I also have no idea why the lib-dems werent agile enough to run on a reverse-brexit manifesto with anyone other than that berk Farron as the figurehead that would have had them hoovering up the remain vote and given them in my opinion their first ever shot at forming a government.

I said that when the election was called. That was the almost certain way to appeal to most of the 48% who voted Remain. They needn't have even had anything else on the manifesto. They want a second referendum - they should have made this it.

But they were too weak to grasp the opportunity, and now it's quite clear that they are going to face the classic third-party squeeze as tactical voters who might have voted for them justifiably turn to Labour as the only means of getting rid of May. 

Or they made a back-door deal.

PolarityMan

The whole western political scene globally depresses me right now. We're all going to end up working as cheap outsourced labour for India and China if we're not careful and nobody seems interested in doing anything other than squabble amongst themselves. 

ICBM

Drew_TNBD said:

Or they made a back-door deal.

Not sure if that's a Farron joke or not!