Help me fix neck dive (SG)

Legionreturns

My new SG is lovely but, I suspect because of the G Force tuners and top horn position of the strap lock, it's a bit neck divey. 

Should I 

A) Move the straplock myself and fill the hole

B ) Take it back to the shop and ask them to do it so I don't invalidate my warranty

C) Live with it or do something else

I've toyed with the idea of getting a strap with more friction but I'm not convinced that will solve the balance issue when playing. 

WezV

put a bigsby on it

Legionreturns

WezV said:

put a bigsby on it

That's not the answer to everything!

Jack_

WezV said:

put a bigsby on it

I was going to say put a useless weight in a cavity, but a Bigsby serves the same purpose.

guitarfishbay

If it's not too bad you could try a wide and grippy strap.  A 3" wide suede strap would be a good place to start, it'd not involve modifying the instrument in any way either.

WezV

its not even foolproof - SG's just want to dive sometimes.   The other obvious suggestion is to remove the G-force and replace with something lightweight.   Still no guarantees then, but doing that and adding a bigsby should do it

There isn't an ideal position for a strap button on an SG that stops neck dive.   I like it on the top horn  as it stops the guitar tipping forward  as much.  It needs to be closer to the 12th fret to stop neck dive

rlw

G-Force weighs next to fuck all so taking it off will make the most minute difference.

What about a few fishing weights on the strings between the bridge and the tail piece.

Legionreturns

WezV said:

its not even foolproof - SG's just want to dive sometimes.   The other obvious suggestion is to remove the G-force and replace with something lightweight.   Still no guarantees then, but doing that and adding a bigsby should do it

There isn't an ideal position for a strap button on an SG that stops neck dive.   I like it on the top horn  as it stops the guitar tipping forward  as much.  It needs to be closer to the 12th fret to stop neck dive

I'm getting used to it, It's an extra challenge that I'm coming to terms with but was just wondering if there's an easy fix. I'll maybe try a weight in a cavity but as a novice I like the ease of the tuners. If this is just an SG thing I'll just live with it. 

Cheers

bbill335

Wear it higher - like REALLY high - get one of those cheap leather planet waves straps with the suede backing. They're super grippy and kill most neck dive.

Legionreturns

rlw said:

G-Force weighs next to fuck all so taking it off will make the most minute difference.

What about a few fishing weights on the strings between the bridge and the tail piece.

That's another option, cheers

Skipped

Test it first.

Put some coins in a bag and then tape the bag to the butt end of your guitar strap.
If it feels much better - and the extra weight is OK - that probably points you to the obvious solution. Have a dedicated strap for your SG and get someone clever (probably a woman) to sew the coins into the strap.

I like the traditional front strap position on an SG. I think the "swivel" on the strap button is part of the stage feel of an SG. I would imagine that your guitar will currently be neck heavy with the button in either position.
I think the problem is worth solving. Even if only 1% of the effort produced by your fretting hand is being used to support the neck.....that is still too much effort.

underdog

Just add something in a neat looking pack to the guitar strap at the bridge end, will just look like you have a wireless pack on

freakboy1610

I cured the neck dive on my SG by putting 5 or 6 torpedo shaped fishing weights in the control cavity. I put them in a small Ziploc bag and taped it up. I cut piece of soft cloth to go between the controls and the weights. It all fits snug without rattling around and it cured the neck dive. I also moved the strap button to the top horn but that was more down to personal preference. You need a right angled drill converter to do that.

ICBM

underdog said:

Just add something in a neat looking pack to the guitar strap at the bridge end, will just look like you have a wireless pack on

Like a large brass belt buckle...

Someone I knew years ago did that, it worked perfectly. If I remember right it was a big ornate cowboy thing that said 'Calgary' on it, so presumably from the rodeo!

Funkfingers

Put a Maestro Vibrola on it. Its mass was factored into the original weight distribution calculations at the design stage.

underdog

ICBM said:

underdog said:

Just add something in a neat looking pack to the guitar strap at the bridge end, will just look like you have a wireless pack on

Like a large brass belt buckle...

Someone I knew years ago did that, it worked perfectly. If I remember right it was a big ornate cowboy thing that said 'Calgary' on it, so presumably from the rodeo!

Seems the easiest solution to me, makes sense, though I couldn't go the cowboy decoration route myself

ESBlonde

Legionreturns said:

WezV said:

put a bigsby on it

That's not the answer to everything!

thats not the answer to anything (except how I ruined my guitar).

ESBlonde

The strap you use can make a lot of difference, a thin cheap plastic backed job will slip all night long. A thick leather strap complete with the rough hide back will be less prone to allowing the guitar to suddenly drop.

Teyeplayer

Unless I have totally missed something I don't recall seeing a ngd @Legionreturns, ;which means we need pics or all of this is the stuff of dreams and imagination.

Legionreturns

Teyeplayer said:

Unless I have totally missed something I don't recall seeing a ngd @Legionreturns, which means we need pics or all of this is the stuff of dreams and imagination.

You have indeed totally missed something...

http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/109472/ngd-x2-something-fun-and-twangy-and-something-loud#latest

Should have gone to specsavers... 

Teyeplayer

My eyes definitely need checking!

Nice buys dude, that tele deluxe...that's rather cool and have wondered  about the mini humbucker sg's myself. Enjoy!