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FreddieVanHalen

It's a shame this. I had my eye on that guitar and would probably have bought it to play and keep at £600. Bugger!

JackieB33

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JackieB33

AlexO

He's had one of my guitars from me and messaged me through FB. Was upfront about being a dealer, gave me a fair price with no messing about. 

Listed the guitar on his site  for what I thought was a inflated price but it's his property after he paid me so that's his business what he wants to sell it for.

martinw

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

dbphoto

JackieB33 said:

I suspect that @dbphoto is maybe an old flame of Craig's?

Aye, there you go, that will explain it.

(never heard of the guy)

As you were boys, i’m out of here.

BloodEagle

 dbphoto said:

JackieB33 said:

I suspect that @dbphoto is maybe an old flame of Craig's?

Aye, there you go, that will explain it.

(never heard of the guy)

As you were boys, i’m out of here.

Oh, he’s run off. That definitely doesn’t look at all suspect 

Jack_

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

SimonC

Jack_ said:

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

That’s the point though, the OP was led to believe he wasn’t dealing with a business.

JackieB33

leerocker

The guy has bought two guitars off me at the price i wanted if he chooses to sell them on and make a profit then good luck to him, I knew he was a dealer and i got what i wanted money wise with no hassle same with ric henry

CloudNine

dbphoto said:

As you were boys, i’m out of here.

Jack_

JackieB33 said:

Jack_ said:

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

How does this apply? 

Businesses agree to buy goods at trade price, with both themselves and the supplier being under the impression that a profit is to be made. 

In terms of this situation: 
If Craig had acted like a dealer and said something along the lines of ''i'm only offering this amount as it'd keep me within my profit margin'' then that would be much more dignified. And i probably still would have taken him up on it. 

But that isn't how it went down. 

I wasn't applying it to this particular situation, just noting that the vast majority of businesses will exploit other people's good nature for profit in one way or another, be it US banks and mortgages or merchants and fake/inflated RRP prices for discount comparisons or West Ham's owners and their fans, etc.

I'm not defending Greenwood or the way that he and his peers do business in ANY way.

I'm merely suggesting that most people at some point in their lives will do something unethical in pursuit of making money, hence we're nearly all scumbags - I guess.

shefguitar

Jack_ said:

JackieB33 said:

Jack_ said:

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

How does this apply? 

Businesses agree to buy goods at trade price, with both themselves and the supplier being under the impression that a profit is to be made. 

In terms of this situation: 
If Craig had acted like a dealer and said something along the lines of ''i'm only offering this amount as it'd keep me within my profit margin'' then that would be much more dignified. And i probably still would have taken him up on it. 

But that isn't how it went down. 

I wasn't applying it to this particular situation, just noting that the vast majority of businesses will exploit other people's good nature for profit in one way or another, be it US banks and mortgages or merchants and fake/inflated RRP prices for discount comparisons or West Ham's owners and their fans, etc.

I'm not defending Greenwood or the way that he and his peers do business in ANY way.

I'm merely suggesting that most people at some point in their lives will do something unethical in pursuit of making money, hence we're nearly all scumbags - I guess.

You can make a profit and still have principles and act ethically. Some people choose to take the ‘easy’ route.

martinw

Jack_ said:

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

Err...no.

Jack_

shefguitar said:

Jack_ said:

JackieB33 said:

Jack_ said:

martinw said:

People who exploit other people's good nature for profit are out and out scumbags and there's no excusing it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
In Ronnie's words, "the less that you give, you're a taker."

So like 90% of businesses then?

How does this apply? 

Businesses agree to buy goods at trade price, with both themselves and the supplier being under the impression that a profit is to be made. 

In terms of this situation: 
If Craig had acted like a dealer and said something along the lines of ''i'm only offering this amount as it'd keep me within my profit margin'' then that would be much more dignified. And i probably still would have taken him up on it. 

But that isn't how it went down. 

I wasn't applying it to this particular situation, just noting that the vast majority of businesses will exploit other people's good nature for profit in one way or another, be it US banks and mortgages or merchants and fake/inflated RRP prices for discount comparisons or West Ham's owners and their fans, etc.

I'm not defending Greenwood or the way that he and his peers do business in ANY way.

I'm merely suggesting that most people at some point in their lives will do something unethical in pursuit of making money, hence we're nearly all scumbags - I guess.

You can make a profit and still have principles and act ethically. Some people choose to take the ‘easy’ route.

I 100% agree, but even the best slip once in a while.

JackieB33

Modellista

I dislike an amateur dealer as much as the rest of them, as I've often said on here. Perhaps I missed the bit where he was being dishonest but I can't find it? Or is the fact that he specifically didn't mention he was a dealer the problem? Dishonesty by omission, then. 

Jack_

modellista said:

I dislike an amateur dealer as much as the rest of them, as I've often said on here. Perhaps I missed the bit where he was being dishonest but I can't find it? Or is the fact that he specifically didn't mention he was a dealer the problem? Dishonesty by omission, then. 

I think it's that he has been dishonest in the past, therefore OP would rather have not dealt with him, but did not know he was dealing with him.

Also the lies to bring the price down.

Snags

Not mentioning he's a dealer and saying "£600 is all I've got" rather than "£600 is all it's worth to me".

 It's the same as when we bought our house. The people selling span a tale of woe ("Our forever home, but getting divorced", etc.). Turned out they clearly had a link to one of the local agents and regularly bought houses that had sat for a while, did some "work in progress" then flipped them. How I know is too long-winded, but I know.

At the end of the day we got a house we wanted, at more or less a fair price. But knowing you were bullshitted and manipulated leaves a sour taste. If they'd just said they weren't budging on price and not spun a tale it wouldn't have changed the outcome, but it would have felt better. And I wouldn't have laughed like a drain when 9 months later they got stuck with a total dog we'd already walked away from.