2019 Gibson Les Paul Junior

jonnyburgo

Id rather spend less on a second hand "proper" one.

Or for £599 at dawsons....https://www.dawsons.co.uk/gibson-2016-les-paul-special-plus-limited-run-vintage-sunburst?gclid=CjwKCAiAt4rfBRBKEiwAC678KdgzzAK8SDTiWlggRpih2wlM1f2frwcx64ikdMpNeQ4SGeht5ytQkRoCBwMQAvD_BwE

roberty

jonnyburgo said:

Id rather spend less on a second hand "proper" one.

Or for £599 at dawsons....https://www.dawsons.co.uk/gibson-2016-les-paul-special-plus-limited-run-vintage-sunburst?gclid=CjwKCAiAt4rfBRBKEiwAC678KdgzzAK8SDTiWlggRpih2wlM1f2frwcx64ikdMpNeQ4SGeht5ytQkRoCBwMQAvD_BwE

Wow are they still trying to shift those? Decent guitars, not easy to find Junior/Special styles with full sized HBs from the factory

ICBM

roberty said:

jonnyburgo said:

Or for £599 at dawsons....https://www.dawsons.co.uk/gibson-2016-les-paul-special-plus-limited-run-vintage-sunburst?gclid=CjwKCAiAt4rfBRBKEiwAC678KdgzzAK8SDTiWlggRpih2wlM1f2frwcx64ikdMpNeQ4SGeht5ytQkRoCBwMQAvD_BwE

Wow are they still trying to shift those? Decent guitars, not easy to find Junior/Special styles with full sized HBs from the factory

That looks nice, but I bet it didn’t sell well due to the blinkered ‘vintage design only’ market which says it’s “wrong” due to not being a body/wood/hardware combination Gibson offered before 1970...

p90fool

MikeS said:

I'm a traditional Junior fan, and thoroughly hate the new ones. I did think in an ideal world I'd sit and wait on one coming up second hand dirt cheap (and I mean dirt cheap), and converting it. Removing that monstrous pickguard and filling all the routs with wood, filling the screw holes, routing a jack socket on the edge, and installing a dogear pickup, pickguard and electrics. 

It would have to be painted a nice TV yellow to cover all the work, and then I'd be left with a cool looking Junior, or would I?.

No, because firstly even if I were given one free, doing all that is just not cost effective, but the biggest reason why it wouldn't work is you'd still be left with a Junior with a Maple neck!. So my mind is firmly made up. It's a pointless, ugly guitar without even the possibility of being made good. I can only see it's market being people who are new to Gibson or Guitars, and have no interest in the history of the brand or the model.

You can probably guess I don't like it eh

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself, it's just a guitar, and a kind of cool, cheap, hotrodded Joan Jett kind of a guitar at that. 

It looks perfect for making a great rock 'n' roll noise, simple, with a decent pickup, a tough-as-old-boots neck and rugged looks. 

I'm well aware how it differs from a vintage Jr, and as someone who started gigging with a '52 ES-295 in the early 80s and still gigs Gibsons every week it's ridiculous to suggest that anyone who likes it is ignorant of or has no interest inGibson's history.

I'm tempted, it looks like a proper workhorse. 

Creed_Clicks

Jaysus, it's just a guitar. Plug it in and play the f**king thing.

roberty

Sounds bloody great in that vid ^^^ no one outside a small circle of guitar nerds will give a f*** about the pickguard. Not even your bassist

AlexO

How good did Acquiesce sound in that video.  He's some player Jack.

57Deluxe

micky mouse fretboard

p90fool

57Deluxe said:

micky mouse fretboard

Why? 

ChuckManual

I played one last week.

I liked it.

robdynamite

I personally wish i had the money to snag one. They look and sound pretty cool to me!

Henrytwang

sawyer said:

I've said it before,and I'll say it again! Just make an affordable vintage correct singlecut/double junior at a reasonable price that a simple straightforward,  mass produced  instrument should cost. It's what we want and Gibson would sell shed loads.

I agree. It can’t be that difficult or expensive to make a proper LP Junior, why mess with what is a classic design? As you say it would be very popular and they’d sell lots of them.

RandallFlagg

Henrytwang said:

sawyer said:

I've said it before,and I'll say it again! Just make an affordable vintage correct singlecut/double junior at a reasonable price that a simple straightforward,  mass produced  instrument should cost. It's what we want and Gibson would sell shed loads.

I agree. It can’t be that difficult or expensive to make a proper LP Junior, why mess with what is a classic design? As you say it would be very popular and they’d sell lots of them.

Hoo fucking ra...I would buy 2!

It's not hard is it.

ICBM

Henrytwang said:

It can’t be that difficult or expensive to make a proper LP Junior, why mess with what is a classic design? As you say it would be very popular and they’d sell lots of them.

The tooling for the classic Junior will be quite a lot more expensive because the body has to be routed from both sides. That doesn't sound like a big deal, but it is - it doubles the amount of machine work, and if you're trying to make a cheap guitar that really makes a difference - and there's also a side rout for the jack, which makes three operations.

That's why throughout their history, both Gibson and Fender have tried to produce new models with the routing only from the front - even modifying existing designs when they're in a pinch regarding costs... Gibson with the SG in '71-'73, Fender with the Strat in '83-'84.

Jez6345789

On the Peach video they sound sort of what you want from a junior.

I have always thought for many years when I was looking for a new junior the Gibson business model was you could have any variation you liked of Junior with stop tailpiece and a Nashville bridge, Humbuckers rather than p90 unless you paid the price for a 57 reissue.  I suppose it's a business strategy but a bit of a blunt approach and one that I think has run out of steam in recent years, rather than make as many as you can sell of a good standard made to the classic formula. 

I would be happier if Gibson  made an honest junior guitar for an honest price. 

I appreciate a pound on cost in manufacture is a fiver on the high St but when you look at touch time in modern guitar making in a good production environment flipping the guitar to rout a simple control cavity is not doubling machine time. Or it might be at Gibson I have not been to Gibson but when you look at the working people in the background of a lot factory tour video's yet get those who have achieved a work rate of corporate indifference. When I went to Taylor the feel was buzzing as was Fender. `

Ultimately it sounds in the ballpark but Gibson is never going to get a lot of love if they don't treat a simple junior guitar as what it is not a 3 or 4k recreation of something they once made cheap and basically in 1957.

roberty

Price-wise, competing with this now:

https://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-2018-Worn-Cherry/2276

Whitecat

Henrytwang said:

sawyer said:

I've said it before,and I'll say it again! Just make an affordable vintage correct singlecut/double junior at a reasonable price that a simple straightforward,  mass produced  instrument should cost. It's what we want and Gibson would sell shed loads.

I agree. It can’t be that difficult or expensive to make a proper LP Junior, why mess with what is a classic design? As you say it would be very popular and they’d sell lots of them.

Because they make way more money selling a few Custom Shop Juniors in an authentic spec to those that really want one than they do a truckload of low-margin "compromised" USA Juniors... they wanna nudge you up, so to speak.

Musicman20

roberty said:

Price-wise, competing with this now:

https://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-2018-Worn-Cherry/2276

That is really nice for the money.

Henrytwang

Whitecat said:

Henrytwang said:

sawyer said:

I've said it before,and I'll say it again! Just make an affordable vintage correct singlecut/double junior at a reasonable price that a simple straightforward,  mass produced  instrument should cost. It's what we want and Gibson would sell shed loads.

I agree. It can’t be that difficult or expensive to make a proper LP Junior, why mess with what is a classic design? As you say it would be very popular and they’d sell lots of them.

Because they make way more money selling a few Custom Shop Juniors in an authentic spec to those that really want one than they do a truckload of low-margin "compromised" USA Juniors... they wanna nudge you up, so to speak.

Funny you should say that. I suspected that they were trying to push people into spending sack loads of cash on the Custom Shop Junior. Sure it would cost a bit more for the extra routing but that doesn’t seem to push the price of a Les Paul Studio through the ceiling.

SteveRobinson

The cost of manufacture doesn't dictate the selling price.