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ICBM

SNAKEBITE said:

https://evolutionnews.org/2015/08/the_octopus_gen/

@ICBM it is the octopus, not Jellyfish.

Above is one link, but there is a load more.

Very interesting, but it still doesn't sound like they've found anything relating to a different origin of life.

viz said:

This is my view too, but we must concede that the LUCA argument does not prohibit life having been initiated more than once; it might have occurred the day after too, but that family may have died out; with such simple organisms there would be no fossil record.

I am of the view that it only happened once, ever, but I also know that 1 is a very rare number on the universe. Things either tend not to happen at all, or they happen more than once. 

That's possibly true, but if it happened more than once it's likely to have happened much *more* than once even on Earth, which would make it less likely that all competing 'family trees' bar one die out.

That's the real problem - to tell whether it's not vanishingly unlikely, in which case the number of planets supporting complex life is large, or vanishingly unlikely and the number is 1... of course in *our* universe, or we would not be here to know about it.

thecolourbox

SNAKEBITE said:

I will add that some people do think Octopi are actual alien DNA.

Surely would be octapod as the word Comes from Greek?

AustrianJohn said:

TheMarlin said:

I watched the Bob Lazar documentary.  It was crap. He’s got an interesting story, but this crappy self indulgent documentary was a mess. Don’t bother wasting your time watching it. 

This (although I only got half way through - there's possibly only 2 minutes of content in the first half).

The fact that Lazar can't substantiate his education indicates that his whole story is just that - a story.  Even if (pandering to his delusion) the government had erased all reference to his education, surely he certificates for classes he passed and photos of his graduation. And when the lack of evidence of his education first appeared he was, I think, in his thirties, could he not have found classmates to verify that he had attended university?

If you want more reasons why Lazar is a fraud see this http://www.ufojoe.net/?p=220

Just because one specific person who may be a fraud talks about a subject, it does not automatically mean the subject is a fraud by association

MagicPigDetective

Nah, just conspiracies by the balltards to discredit flat earth, I mean, how would aliens get through the protective dome? 

tony99

thecolourbox said:

SNAKEBITE said:

I will add that some people do think Octopi are actual alien DNA.

Surely would be octapod as the word Comes from Greek?

I think the plural of octopus is octopuses.

Bridgehouse

Fermi’s paradox is, to my mind, relatively explainable I would say. 

Let’s just imagine that there is life out there at the same level of intelligence as we are currently. 

Let’s also imagine that the nearest life to us is in the constellation of Orion which is 1,344 light years away. 

Now, in our scenario with parallel technological development, we started radio wave transmissions 100 years ago or so. Let’s say the other life in Orion did too. 

That means those radio waves are a maximum of 100 light years away from us, and 100 light years from Orion as well. That’s 200 light years combined. That’s still only about 15% of the total distance required before either civilisation could detect them. 

Orion is relatively close as well. In fact, we wouldn’t detect the very first transmissions made from our imaginary Orion civilisation until the year 3254. 

It’s quiet out there because the further out you go, the further we are listening into and seeing into the past...

thecolourbox

Bridgehouse said:

Fermi’s paradox is, to my mind, relatively explainable I would say. 

Let’s just imagine that there is life out there at the same level of intelligence as we are currently. 

Let’s also imagine that the nearest life to us is in the constellation of Orion which is 1,344 light years away. 

Now, in our scenario with parallel technological development, we started radio wave transmissions 100 years ago or so. Let’s say the other life in Orion did too. 

That means those radio waves are a maximum of 100 light years away from us, and 100 light years from Orion as well. That’s 200 light years combined. That’s still only about 15% of the total distance required before either civilisation could detect them. 

Orion is relatively close as well. In fact, we wouldn’t detect the very first transmissions made from our imaginary Orion civilisation until the year 3254. 

It’s quiet out there because the further out you go, the further we are listening into and seeing into the past...

When I used to swim in competitions as a teenager one of the clubs we used to come up against was called Orion. I can confirm no intelligent life was there

Bridgehouse

thecolourbox said:

Bridgehouse said:

Fermi’s paradox is, to my mind, relatively explainable I would say. 

Let’s just imagine that there is life out there at the same level of intelligence as we are currently. 

Let’s also imagine that the nearest life to us is in the constellation of Orion which is 1,344 light years away. 

Now, in our scenario with parallel technological development, we started radio wave transmissions 100 years ago or so. Let’s say the other life in Orion did too. 

That means those radio waves are a maximum of 100 light years away from us, and 100 light years from Orion as well. That’s 200 light years combined. That’s still only about 15% of the total distance required before either civilisation could detect them. 

Orion is relatively close as well. In fact, we wouldn’t detect the very first transmissions made from our imaginary Orion civilisation until the year 3254. 

It’s quiet out there because the further out you go, the further we are listening into and seeing into the past...

When I used to swim in competitions as a teenager one of the clubs we used to come up against was called Orion. I can confirm no intelligent life was there

Were they transmitting radio waves?

thecolourbox

There was a girl called Anne who did, Tennae her surname was I think

Nomad

blobb said:

Nomad said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That'll be your flying teapot

When the claim that there's a teapot orbiting a star has no supporting evidence (and the claim itself asserts that no evidence can be acquired), Russell might be justified in dismissing it as bollocks that somebody made up. However, it's not so easy to apply the same reasoning when you're standing on a teapot that's orbiting a star. 

tony99

Nomad said:

blobb said:

Nomad said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That'll be your flying teapot

When the claim that there's a teapot orbiting a star has no supporting evidence (and the claim itself asserts that no evidence can be acquired), Russell might be justified in dismissing it as bollocks that somebody made up. However, it's not so easy to apply the same reasoning when you're standing on a teapot that's orbiting a star. 

It's certainly easier to get a handle on it eh?

Nomad

tony99 said:

Nomad said:

blobb said:

Nomad said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That'll be your flying teapot

When the claim that there's a teapot orbiting a star has no supporting evidence (and the claim itself asserts that no evidence can be acquired), Russell might be justified in dismissing it as bollocks that somebody made up. However, it's not so easy to apply the same reasoning when you're standing on a teapot that's orbiting a star. 

It's certainly easier to get a handle on it eh?

Get a handle on what?

blobb

Nomad said:

tony99 said:

Nomad said:

blobb said:

Nomad said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That'll be your flying teapot

When the claim that there's a teapot orbiting a star has no supporting evidence (and the claim itself asserts that no evidence can be acquired), Russell might be justified in dismissing it as bollocks that somebody made up. However, it's not so easy to apply the same reasoning when you're standing on a teapot that's orbiting a star. 

It's certainly easier to get a handle on it eh?

Get a handle on what?

Yeah, wot you spouting on about?

tony99

blobb said:

Nomad said:

tony99 said:

Nomad said:

blobb said:

Nomad said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That'll be your flying teapot

When the claim that there's a teapot orbiting a star has no supporting evidence (and the claim itself asserts that no evidence can be acquired), Russell might be justified in dismissing it as bollocks that somebody made up. However, it's not so easy to apply the same reasoning when you're standing on a teapot that's orbiting a star. 

It's certainly easier to get a handle on it eh?

Get a handle on what?

Yeah, wot you spouting on about?

what a brewhaha

Kittyfrisk

Oh ye Unbelievers!!

blobb

Strong and streamin' mate.

Sassafras

Eeeh Tea.

AustrianJohn

thecolourbox said:

Just because one specific person who may be a fraud talks about a subject, it does not automatically mean the subject is a fraud by association

Agreed. I would like to have been able to believe Lazar's story, but it doesn't hold together. 

I have always "wanted to believe", but also required decent evidence to do so. I was at the first public showing of the (now debunked) Ray Santilli alien autopsy film. The polarisation of some of the audience who really, really wanted to believe it was true, and those that thought it was bollocks, was a bit like Brexit!

pintspiller

Ancient Aliens on History Channel is full of theories, conspiracy or not, about this kind of stuff. Like a TV version of the Charles Berlitz stuff I used to get from the book club at school back in the day.

Grangousier

It's funny how no one ever mentions Areas 1 through 50. That's the real conspiracy, sheeple!

thecolourbox

Grangousier said:

It's funny how no one ever mentions Areas 1 through 50. That's the real conspiracy, sheeple!

They're all just research centres for the different varieties of Heniz products