What is a simple paint job / Finish to do?

RaymondLin

SteveRobinson said:

The Nash guitar has a white primer undercoat, you might want to reproduce that?

I have everything you need, check out my website for painting demos. If you need any advice please ask.

Hi Steve,

https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/product/sonic-blue-nitrocellulose-lacquer-aerosol/

On y our website, how come the sonic blue has 2 shades?  or is that the colour how it comes out the can on the left and how it ages on the right?

SteveRobinson

The RHS is how it looks under a Tinted topcoat. Your Nash is more Daphne Blue though

RaymondLin

@SteveRobinson I think I have found everything, could you check it over?

Amber tint cellulose for the neck (I have some fretboard conditioner from PRS I can clean the board with)

Sand it down to smooth, apply 2 layers of primer, then 3 layers of Sonic blue then the clear satin cellulose lacquer on top.

When it's all dried using the highest grit sandpaper to smooth down the neck a little.

I think I might double up on the sandpaper, not sure that will be enough.

RaymondLin

SteveRobinson said:

The RHS is how it looks under a Tinted topcoat. Your Nash is more Daphne Blue though

Hi,

Do you think so?  I thought Daphne Blue is a little too dark.

SteveRobinson

You'll need clear for the neck too. The process is seal with clear, spray Tinted Gloss to get the desired colour (go easy) then more clear over the top. You'll need very little Tinted Gloss. Alternatively you could get the Light Tint (which is the same colour with a lighter dye loading) and just build up colour with multiple layers. The previous method makes it easier to control both the colour and finish thickness though.

For the body, sand the wood meticulously before you start. Then spray a coat of primer, leave to harden (overnight) and flat back. This will show all the imperfections. If these are minor, spray more primer and repeat. Any holes need filling though before you continue. Don't spray colour until your primer layer is super smooth. 

RaymondLin

SteveRobinson said:

You'll need clear for the neck too. The process is seal with clear, spray Tinted Gloss to get the desired colour (go easy) then more clear over the top. You'll need very little Tinted Gloss. Alternatively you could get the Light Tint (which is the same colour with a lighter dye loading) and just build up colour with multiple layers. The previous method makes it easier to control both the colour and finish thickness though.

For the body, sand the wood meticulously before you start. Then spray a coat of primer, leave to harden (overnight) and flat back. This will show all the imperfections. If these are minor, spray more primer and repeat. Any holes need filling though before you continue. Don't spray colour until your primer layer is super smooth. 

When you say I need clear for the neck, you mean tint gloss?

I was purposely trying to go for a satin feel, would I still need to spray the tint gloss over the amber tint cellulose layer ? and could you link me to the tint gloss?  

Thanks

SteveRobinson

If you want a satin finish neck (or body) then your final coat has to be clear satin. You can achieve the colour by spraying clear either of my tints. https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2013/03/13/spraying-the-neck/

menamestom

I had issues with bloom last time I sprayed a body, so worth checking the humidity in the area you are spraying.
You probably want 40% or less.

Worked out pretty good in the end but I wouldn't call it simple.  You need a respirator and bear in mind nitro shows everything and fills nothing, so go overboard on he prep.

The Silver Tele in the thread below, I kept the neck pretty bare, woodstain with a single coat of Tru oil.  That's finished in Inca Silver Nitro.  The other Swamp ash one is all tru oil. 

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/166936/tele-build#latest

RaymondLin

menamestom said:

I had issues with bloom last time I sprayed a body, so worth checking the humidity in the area you are spraying.
You probably want 40% or less.

Worked out pretty good in the end but I wouldn't call it simple.  You need a respirator and bear in mind nitro shows everything and fills nothing, so go overboard on he prep.

The Silver Tele in the thread below, I kept the neck pretty bare, woodstain with a single coat of Tru oil.  That's finished in Inca Silver Nitro.  The other Swamp ash one is all tru oil. 

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/166936/tele-build#latest

I have access to an empty-ish garage and have a couple of N95 masks (thanks Covid!)...

menamestom

RaymondLin said:

menamestom said:

I had issues with bloom last time I sprayed a body, so worth checking the humidity in the area you are spraying.
You probably want 40% or less.

Worked out pretty good in the end but I wouldn't call it simple.  You need a respirator and bear in mind nitro shows everything and fills nothing, so go overboard on he prep.

The Silver Tele in the thread below, I kept the neck pretty bare, woodstain with a single coat of Tru oil.  That's finished in Inca Silver Nitro.  The other Swamp ash one is all tru oil. 

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/166936/tele-build#latest

I have access to an empty-ish garage and have a couple of N95 masks (thanks Covid!)...

That sounds about right.  Just make sure you can't smell the Nitro, that means it is working. 

I would wait for a dry day unless your garage is completely dry and sealed.  If you get bloom however, it's not the end of the world, the final coat on mine removed it.

RaymondLin

menamestom said:

RaymondLin said:

menamestom said:

I had issues with bloom last time I sprayed a body, so worth checking the humidity in the area you are spraying.
You probably want 40% or less.

Worked out pretty good in the end but I wouldn't call it simple.  You need a respirator and bear in mind nitro shows everything and fills nothing, so go overboard on he prep.

The Silver Tele in the thread below, I kept the neck pretty bare, woodstain with a single coat of Tru oil.  That's finished in Inca Silver Nitro.  The other Swamp ash one is all tru oil. 

https://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/166936/tele-build#latest

I have access to an empty-ish garage and have a couple of N95 masks (thanks Covid!)...

That sounds about right.  Just make sure you can't smell the Nitro, that means it is working. 

I would wait for a dry day unless your garage is completely dry and sealed.  If you get bloom however, it's not the end of the world, the final coat on mine removed it.

If I can't hang it up, would it be okay to do the top layer one day, wait for it to dry and flip it over to do the back the next day?  It will take twice as long I realise.

Also, where I can get a decal made?  I want to design and make my own.  Would the tint lacquer seal it in and stop it moving?

SteveRobinson

RaymondLin said:

If I can't hang it up, would it be okay to do the top layer one day, wait for it to dry and flip it over to do the back the next day?  It will take twice as long I realise.

Also, where I can get a decal made?  I want to design and make my own.  Would the tint lacquer seal it in and stop it moving?

I usually attach a stick to the neck pocket so you can rotate the body,
https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2011/09/01/finishing-an-alder-telecaster-body-in-metallic-lacquer/

You can also use the old Fender nail feet method.
https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2011/08/05/finishing-an-ash-telecaster-in-butterscotch/

Glen is my favourite custom decal guy http://www.plankspankerguitardecals.com/ 

Yes you can spray over with lacquer https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2013/03/13/spraying-the-neck/

RaymondLin

Can I use these sand paper?  

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BGTL4H1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1IZUE901X09EF&psc=1 ;

menamestom

RaymondLin said:

Can I use these sand paper?  

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07BGTL4H1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1IZUE901X09EF&psc=1 ;

I got similar from Amazon and they were good.

RaymondLin

SteveRobinson said:

RaymondLin said:

If I can't hang it up, would it be okay to do the top layer one day, wait for it to dry and flip it over to do the back the next day?  It will take twice as long I realise.

Also, where I can get a decal made?  I want to design and make my own.  Would the tint lacquer seal it in and stop it moving?

I usually attach a stick to the neck pocket so you can rotate the body,
https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2011/09/01/finishing-an-alder-telecaster-body-in-metallic-lacquer/

You can also use the old Fender nail feet method.
https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2011/08/05/finishing-an-ash-telecaster-in-butterscotch/

Glen is my favourite custom decal guy http://www.plankspankerguitardecals.com/ 

Yes you can spray over with lacquer https://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/2013/03/13/spraying-the-neck/

Thanks Steve, I think i will go with Sonic blue, will come back to this thread come payday to confirm everything that i need.

I have ordered some sandpaper elsewhere so I can start sanding prep between now and then. 

p.s. the nail in the screw holes to elevate it is dead clever!

Been reading some more, I think may be Tru Oil Gun stock on the neck and headstock would be the simplest way to do the neck without a lot of masking tape over the fretboard.