Timing

poopot

in GarageBand:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH24981?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

“Time signature” is the wrong term here... it a tempo change you want... logic does all this in the “signature” track hence my mis naming the term...

and no, you can’t set the tracks to latch, touch, write etc in GarageBand...

buy logic its £200 and you really won’t get a better daw for that money... 

 

digitalkettle

poopot said:

but... no bugger listening will notice the effort if it’s just a small variable if that makes sense? 

True...this is slightly beyond 'collaborative recording 101'...interesting though.

@hotpickups don't get hung up on this

hotpickups

poopot said:

in GarageBand:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH24981?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

“Time signature” is the wrong term here... it a tempo change you want... logic does all this in the “signature” track hence my mis naming the term...

and no, you can’t set the tracks to latch, touch, write etc in GarageBand...

buy logic its £200 and you really won’t get a better daw for that money... 

 

Yeah that’s my next move tbh I.e. logic. At that price it’s a bargain. I’ll be buying a new Mac soon so I’ll bundle the software on it when purchasing 

hotpickups

Danny1969 said:

It's easier if you get a drum track down first and then everyone plays to that. I would do drums, then bass and then edit bass if necessary  to make sure the bass is locked in with the drums, then build everything on that. 

Ah ok. I was thinking the other way round but yeah I can see the sense in that 

digitalkettle

hotpickups said:

Danny1969 said:

It's easier if you get a drum track down first and then everyone plays to that. I would do drums, then bass and then edit bass if necessary  to make sure the bass is locked in with the drums, then build everything on that. 

Ah ok. I was thinking the other way round but yeah I can see the sense in that 

Back in the mists of time when I recorded with real people in a real room in a real studio, we would ideally set up the full band and bang through a tune trying to get a good drum take...no click, full band dynamic. The priority would be not getting too much crap in the drum mics but, if it all went well, you'd be able to get a bass track down at the same time (probably DI'd) and at least some guide guitar/vocals.

Disclaimer: there are a million ways to record and there are some experienced 'proper studio' folk on this forum

digitalkettle

hotpickups said:

Already getting beyond me now and seems very very time consuming in editing / preparation  

It's harder to explain than it is to do: if you've ever moved a fader or a pan control with automation in your DAW, you're in the ball-park. I think the trickiest part is organising everyone else...but, as I explained, that's not even necessary in many cases.

All that said, I bet nobody bothers going to the trouble of ramping up a click track for a chorus, etc

poopot

heres a quick few bars of something drummonkey sent me ( complete with him coughing his guts up down every mic)... click added for you to reference.

He falls off the tempo very quickly... but as long as the rest of us play to this it'll be fine... but... you cant notice that slight tempo change when you listen to it... folks wont notice if you are ridged or dropping off the tempo slightly... as long as what is coming out the speakers makes you dance its all good... 

https://soundcloud.com/thefretboard/sets/drumtest

Grangousier

Oh, you'd be surprised...

For a while now, I've recorded a basic guitar track, then set the tempo to the guitar track (it used to be manual, but in Logic it's got a lot easier and the automatic matching works very well as long as the guide part is simple and not syncopated), then map out the sections and add a Drummer track, then tweak it to sound natural (there'll often be tempo glitches that need to be ironed out that the Drummer track amplifies), then add all the other tracks while muting the original guide guitar. The constant fluctuations make it sound a lot more natural, or less unnatural. 

If I want it to be solid, I'll have a metronome running in the room while I'm playing the guide part (so there are still fluctuations, but very slight and centred on the chosen tempo), and more recently what I've played has been straight quavers while singing the song instead of the actual guitar part, which Logic finds it easy to understand. 

I also know people who do actual tempo maps, speeding up and slowing down depending on the section, though very slightly. One or two BPM make a lot of difference.  

hotpickups

poopot said:

heres a quick few bars of something drummonkey sent me ( complete with him coughing his guts up down every mic)... download it and stick it in your DAW approx 95bpm. see if the metronome matches up...

He falls off the tempo very quickly... but as long as the rest of us play to this it'll be fine... but... you cant notice that slight tempo change when you listen to it... folks wont notice if you are ridged or dropping off the tempo slightly... as long as what is coming out the speakers makes you dance its all good... 

https://soundcloud.com/thefretboard/mikedrum

Yeah that’s what I’m hearing on my track with the click. Annoyed the hell out of my OCD but as you say with that click off and in context of a song one wouldn’t notice that much. I’m just super critical of my own stuff so maybe too attached for my own good  

poopot

hotpickups said:

Yeah that’s what I’m hearing on my track with the click. Annoyed the hell out of my OCD but as you say with that click off and in context of a song one wouldn’t notice that much. I’m just super critical of my own stuff so maybe too attached for my own good  

Uploaded one without the click... You cant hear the tempo change...

https://soundcloud.com/thefretboard/sets/drumtest

Dont get hung up on it imo...

digitalkettle

Grangousier said:

Oh, you'd be surprised...

For a while now, I've recorded a basic guitar track, then set the tempo to the guitar track (it used to be manual, but in Logic it's got a lot easier and the automatic matching works very well as long as the guide part is simple and not syncopated), then map out the sections and add a Drummer track, then tweak it to sound natural (there'll often be tempo glitches that need to be ironed out that the Drummer track amplifies), then add all the other tracks while muting the original guide guitar. The constant fluctuations make it sound a lot more natural, or less unnatural. 

If I want it to be solid, I'll have a metronome running in the room while I'm playing the guide part (so there are still fluctuations, but very slight and centred on the chosen tempo), and more recently what I've played has been straight quavers while singing the song instead of the actual guitar part, which Logic finds it easy to understand. 

I also know people who do actual tempo maps, speeding up and slowing down depending on the section, though very slightly. One or two BPM make a lot of difference.  

You realise your beautiful, organic tempos will be unpalatable to those who live on a diet of ultra-gridded commercial music?

It's like Ella Fitzgerald turning up in a studio in 2020 and the producers saying "it's okay...can we get some Melodyne on that?".

hotpickups

Maybe a little derailment and may need to go in a different thread. But I’m thinking of getting a mic to record vocals. I can’t spend mega bucks on one mainly because it isn’t my instrument really but just want to be able to get some backing vocals in the DAW. Focusrite do a condenser mic that is about the price I am willing to afford but I don’t think they’re powered. Do they have to be?

poopot

It’ll probably need 48v phantom power...

hotpickups

poopot said:

It’ll probably need 48v phantom power...

Ok I’ll check. Thanks 

Would this be via a separately purchased power unit do you know @poopot ?

poopot

What mic pre do you have?

hotpickups

poopot said:

What mic pre do you have?

Thinking of going for one of these:-

Scarlett Studio CM25 Condenser Microphone

poopot

What mic pre/interface will you be using

hotpickups

poopot said:

What mic pre/interface will you be using

I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface 

poopot

hotpickups said:

poopot said:

What mic pre/interface will you be using

I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface 

Should have a button on it that’s labelled “phantom power” or “48v”

press that, it’ll supply the voltage to the mic.

hotpickups

poopot said:

hotpickups said:

poopot said:

What mic pre/interface will you be using

I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface 

Should have a button on it that’s labelled “phantom power” or “48v”

press that, it’ll supply the voltage to the mic.

Oh yeah it does. Thanks @poopot. I wondered what that was for lol