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The point is it costs considerably more money and a lot more than a couple of months to have a decent custom guitar made by a competent builder...
The price he charges should set alarm bells ringing!... if he’s charging £700 and £500 of that is parts, that to me is a giveaway that he doesn’t know what he’s doing!
if you were having an extension built on your house and three builders quoted you £20k and the forth quoted you £5k what would you think about that forth builder?
His price is a big marker of his skill as a guitar builder...
as for it’s not down to the consumer to research... that’s not something I agree with at all... I’ve seen Danielsguitars being built first hand, I’ve even sprayed up a few of them, I’ve played all of them (nearly) I know how good they are... I’ve played a few IvisonGuitars and know the quality there... I’ve not had my hands on FelineGuitars stuff yet... and here’s the point, if I was looking to buy one I’d make damn sure I tried a couple out or at least spoken to a few owners before I commissioned a build...that makes sense no? I know Jon would expect that from his customers!... as would Darren and Neil, as would ANY decent builder!!!!
Fact is people have seen this blokes guitars (which look ok in photos), seen the price and assumed they will get a decent instrument because at £700 it’s more expensive than some mass built guitars so it must be better!... a little bit of due diligence would have shown that his pricing is miles away from a custom build.
However, not everyone knows what the costs on a guitar should be and they might be taken in by his garbage claims about how he can build handmade guitars for costs he does. Maybe they believe him? Maybe some consumers assume that he gets a discount on parts for buying in bulk?
But bottom line is he’s advertising a product for a fee that is not fit for purpose. End of.
the fact is that that selling a hand built product way below what it should cost shows he doesn’t know what he’s doing...
it’s also not irrelevant that folk didn’t at least try one out before handing over money...
but yes, he need to stop what he’s doing... at the moment all he’s doing is making a wooden display for expensive parts!...
Why would you hand over your money? Because the emphasis is on the seller to make sure their advertising is accurate, not the consumer.
Some folks (probably myself included) are too bothered by the minutiae. I have plenty of guitar playing friends who genuinely don't know or care how something is constructed or have any idea about how much a set of pickups costs - and last bought a guitar 25 years ago! So if they were quoted £800 for a guitar to be made for them, they'd probably would not think that was "too cheap".
And it really isn't up to the consumer to price up how much something cost to assemble to work out if something is 'reasonable'. I think some are approaching this from the wrong angle. If the consumer is promised a product for a given price, its not unreasonable to expect it to be supplied. If it falls short of what has been promised, the consumer is protected under law - and in this case, its pretty clear that the products aren't fit for purpose. Ergo, no element of this can be the consumer's "fault".
I suppose I perhaps should have been slightly concerned by the fact that the second prize was two of these guitars...
but... this guy is clearly a con artist and needs to be stopped!...
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As for seeing things from the perspective of someone who doesn’t know about the industry...
I know fuck all about cement mixers but if I wanted to buy one I would do a bit of research into it... if I came across one advertised at 20% of the cost of the rest I would question as to why it was that cheap!...
Agreed it’s not up to the consumer to price up how much it costs to make a guitar... however... if something is priced at well below what it should be it should set alarm bells ringing!... a little bit of research on the part of the buyers here would have shown that the guy is shady as fuck.
not blaming those that have lost money or gone through grief getting their money back in the slightest... this guy should not have been able to put them in that position... however... had they looked into the cost of commissioning a custom build maybe thay would have been saved the grief they’ve had!
and maybe if more folk did it this prick wouldn’t be still selling piles of shit wood masquerading as guitars!...
edit... would be good to know why the buyers chose this particular bloke to build them a guitar?
I do my homework to a ridiculous degree because it interests me greatly, but I wouldn't dream of victim blaming those who have handed over the best part of a grand and been sent a load of crap.
Get a grip guys, we're not all founts of technical knowledge.
Bottom line is, if the builder can turn out a better instrument and take criticism on board, they might have a better chance at retaining and winning customers, at whatever price point.
I seem to recall something about a pedal manufacturer some years ago that was widely hyped on social media and the wiring was all bodged and of poor quality components.
@brownovich hit the nail in the head a few posts back.
his “price” is/should have been an indication to everyone of the above!... and you don’t need secret special inside information to realise that either...
hopefully everyone will get their money back and this prick will just disappear before he rips anyone else off... I suspect he won’t tho’ I suspect he’ll carry on churning out shit and selling them to folk who think they are getting a “bit of a deal”...