Gibson 2015 Models - now official with prices...

underdog

And you could always eBay the robo tuners if you don't want them. I really like the idea myself.

p90fool

If any of you do buy a new one with the G-Force tuners I might take an unwanted set off your hands if they're cheap enough.

UnclePsychosis

thomasross20;363490" said:

There are SO many Gibson models I wouldn't know where to start

Not if you're a bassist! :-(

Babones

not_the_dj said:

Babones;366914" said:

So, hang on. All of the 2015s come with the nonsense G-Force tuning thing stuck on the back? Even the Jr/Specials?

Yes, but you do get a case with the lower models now instead of a gig bag.

Talk about forcing it down your throat then. I guess they're aimed at lazy people, guitar students, Thurston Moore wannabes, people who drive automatic transmission cars etc. I'll admit, i prefer a classic looking, 'manual' guitar, so these will never appeal to me, certainly not on a Jr or Special....and that logo.

underdog

Babones;367174" said:

not_the_dj said:

Babones;366914" said:So, hang on. All of the 2015s come with the nonsense G-Force tuning thing stuck on the back? Even the Jr/Specials? Yes, but you do get a case with the lower models now instead of a gig bag.







Talk about forcing it down your throat then. I guess they're aimed at lazy people, guitar students, Thurston Moore wannabes, people who drive automatic transmission cars etc. I'll admit, i prefer a classic looking, 'manual' guitar, so these will never appeal to me, certainly not on a Jr or Special....and that logo.

Or people who like alternate tunings, people who like the idea of not taking a tuner, or people who like to give new technology a chance before writing it off?

Babones

Exactly as i said 

Lew

[quote="Moe_Zambeek;363268"]Is the logo actually something les Paul scribed before he passed? /quote]

Imma take a wild guess and say it was during rather than before.

Octahedron

Is it just me or do Gibson not know how to make guitars without those fucking Min E Tune things stuck on the back anymore?! They're a freakin' eye-sore... Please... MAKE THEM STOP.  

grungebob

They've probably invested a lot of money in the technology and it hasn't taken off as much as they'd hoped it would, so by fitting them as standard more people will be exposed to them and therefore increased chance of the tech taking off and turning you a profit or at least a return on the initial investment.
As I've said before I'm not a Gibson man so don't see the harm or the big deal with the headstock logo I don't tend to look at it when I'm playing guitar.
I will certainly give a doublecut special a whirl and hope it sounds like I'm imagining in my head.

underdog

I'm a Gibson player, really the only guitars I get along with, and the only guitars I ever lusted after as a kid, but I see no problem with anything Gibson are doing. They get moaned at for making 60 year old designs and moaned at if they try something new.

Headstock logo, fret inlay, case, tuners etc I couldn't care how they look as long as the guitar plays and sounds as I want it to.

not_the_dj

Neither the tuning thingy or the headstock logo would put me off buying these.

I wouldn't necessarily go out to buy a guitar with robot tuners, but if it came with it I'm sure I'd use them.

gubble

I quite like the idea of the Robot Tuners - especially for a gigging musician. If they work as well and as quickly as they seem to then it could be great.

It could also save space on a pedalboard taken up by the tuner.

You could put a Korg Miku in it's place instead !

GuitarMonkey

Robot tuners - can you manually tune if the battery dies?

Oh it seems you can 

http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Gear-Tech/en-us/Five-Ways-I-Was-Wrong-About-Automatic-Tuning.aspx ;

WezV

I did some work for a guy recently, he had his std modded to use robot tuners but quickly changed his mind.  I didn't do the fitting of the robo-tuners and I can't remember what it was about the tuners he didn't like, but swapping back to normal tuners had caused him to have tuning issues.   Apparently the holes had been enlarged for the robot tuners but not as large as needed for grover type tuners.  He was refitting klusons and obviously the bushings were falling out.  he had wedged them in with thin card as a temporary measure

 

ThorpyFX

WezV said:

I did some work for a guy recently, he had his std modded to use robot tuners but quickly changed his mind.  I didn't do the fitting of the robo-tuners and I can't remember what it was about the tuners he didn't like, but swapping back to normal tuners had caused him to have tuning issues.   Apparently the holes had been enlarged for the robot tuners but not as large as needed for grover type tuners.  He was refitting klusons and obviously the bushings were falling out.  he had wedged them in with thin card as a temporary measure

 

card is a well renowned tone enhancing material isn't it? especially at any point where the strings meet the wood.

WezV

its not going to be a tonal issue for the bushings,  but the bushings do need to be solidly installed on vinatge kluson types.  The main issue with the card was it was only in 2 places around the circumference of the bushing, so it was still free  to move in other directions and causing some tuning instability.   I offered him a few solutions from the major plug and redrill to the minor lets try wrapping the bushing in masking tape to be more evenly spread than the card.  

We decided to try the masking tape fix first as he neded it for a gig. first attempt wasn't quite right but once i had soaked the tape in superglue (well away fom the guitar) it hardened up nicely and essentially made a plastic bushing that fit perfectly.  It worked well enough that we didn't have to do anything else and tuning stability was back to were it was pre-robo tuners, although i did warn him to keep an eye on it as there is the potential it won't last forever.   Normally i would use metal conversion bushings but these holes were not the normal size

 

 

 

son_of_kyuss

It seems that they also changed the inlay material to MOP but it's hard to be sure from the tiny pics.

ThorpyFX

son_of_kyuss said:

It seems that they also changed the inlay material to MOP but it's hard to be sure from the tiny pics.

i read that they had done that somewhere

Bogwhoppit

The new case's are a bit snappy.

Philly_Q

ezV said:

its not going to be a tonal issue for the bushings,  but the bushings do need to be solidly installed on vinatge kluson types.  The main issue with the card was it was only in 2 places around the circumference of the bushing, so it was still free  to move in other directions and causing some tuning instability.   I offered him a few solutions from the major plug and redrill to the minor lets try wrapping the bushing in masking tape to be more evenly spread than the card.  

We decided to try the masking tape fix first as he neded it for a gig. first attempt wasn't quite right but once i had soaked the tape in superglue (well away fom the guitar) it hardened up nicely and essentially made a plastic bushing that fit perfectly.  It worked well enough that we didn't have to do anything else and tuning stability was back to were it was pre-robo tuners, although i did warn him to keep an eye on it as there is the potential it won't last forever.   Normally i would use metal conversion bushings but these holes were not the normal size

 

I was reading that whole post thinking "why not use conversion bushings?"  >:D<

Those cases look alright, to be fair, but they'll take up more space than the old ones.