New Tom Andersons at Peach

Fishboy7

OilCityPickups said:

Offset said:

A £4k Strat/Tele copy?  Nah.

Exactly what I thought ... 

Ha. I’ve lost all perspective at this point when it comes to new guitar prices.  . 

bacchanalian

OilCityPickups said:

Offset said:

A £4k Strat/Tele copy?  Nah.

Exactly what I thought ... 

In my mind that is like saying a Ferrari Testarossa is a copy of a Ford Anglia

Musicman20

elstoof said:

MusicMan have stopped hard cases entirely, all gigbags now. Honestly it’s sort of put me off, especially when all their shapes are so unusual it’ll be almost impossible to get a suitable aftermarket 

Yeah, I'm in two minds about this.

Mono cases are superb, and are NOT cheap, at all. Very hard wearing and ergonomic.

However, if you have the room, surely a hardcase is better with high end instruments, with the choice of you using a universal Mono bag you have for virtually all of your guitars?

stickyfiddle

I have mixed feelings on bags vs cases. I love my Mono bags and frankly don't take a hardcase out of the house very often these days. But if I'm paying thousands for a guitar I like it to come in a hardcase, albeit in my case because eventually I expect to ship everything from Abu Dhabi to the UK and I'll want everything hardcased for that container trip. 

Boromedic

It's just going to be one of those things in guitarland where you can't please everyone, I'd much prefer a pro level gigbag with all guitars than a hardcase. Even the venerable Les Paul that everyone panics about, I'd much prefer it in a gigbag. Cases are a nightmare to store when you have all your guitars out.

If I was a touring musician and putting them in a van every night, I'd probably prefer a hardcase or even a flightcase and a Hiscox would be invaluable as they're the best cases. How many of us does that apply too though? The massive and stupidly heavy PRS ones, and the Fender Tweed cases are a nightmare. Taking your guitars down the Dog and Duck once a week or rehearsals then I wouldn't care really, gigbag is fine. Obviously, everyone is different in their needs, hence why manufacturers probably can't win either way. That being said, gigbags aren't really that much cheaper than cases, but they save a shit load on shipping charges......

Offset

The only guitar for which I'd like to see a dedicated gigbag is my Firebird.  It hardly - if ever - leaves the house but the Gibson hardcase it came in is like Hagrid's coffin, and it weighs as much.

Boromedic

OilCityPickups said:

Offset said:

A £4k Strat/Tele copy?  Nah.

Exactly what I thought ... 

Each to their own, the TA I owned was about the best made and finished guitar I've owned except for my Suhr. Coincidentally it was also up there in playability, sound, tonality etc. etc.. I've played cheaper guitars that were decent of course but the TA was on a different level. No standard level guitar I've played was as good as that.

It might be more than you'd pay for one and that's fine. I have other hobbies like cycling where I wouldn't spend £8k on the fancier bikes others would. Thing is though, the £8k bike will be a better bike than my £1.5k one, but I don't comment with statements like I wouldn't pay £4k for that Raleigh Mustang copy.....

The two things can exist together and probably sound very similar through the same setup, same as I can ride down that perfectly good hillside on a shit Halfords Apollo or a £5k Cotic and probably have just as good a time either way, but it doesn't stop the TA being a better guitar and it will play and feel like the premium product it is.

Obviously YMMV and all them caveats, but the reverse snobbery is as ever, tiresome. 

jasonbone75

It's also far from accurate  - Fender have never in their history built a guitar as good as a Tom Anderson (or insert x brand from many alternatives here).

Offset

^^ Not really reverse snobbery.  I'd happily pay £4k for an Ivison Dakota, but I wouldn't want to pay £4k for a Strat.  That's just my interal logic, but as you said - horses for courses.

Boromedic

Offset said:

^^ Not really reverse snobbery.  I'd happily pay £4k for an Ivison Dakota, but I wouldn't want to pay £4k for a Strat.  That's just my interal logic, but as you said - horses for courses.

Thing is, the Tom Anderson would have had as much care and attention to it's build as an Ivison, have you seen the work that goes into making that neck/body join? 

One thing that may separate them is that Tom isn't building them all of course, whereas Neil is, but Tom started off like that too. Hopefully Neil can get to that kind of level too maybe.

It is still kind of reverse snobbery that you wouldn't pay £4k for a bolt on because of some weirdly perceived notion that a set neck is a lot more artisan and harder work. Plenty of time goes into both styles at the boutique level.

StuartMac290

jasonbone75 said:

It's also far from accurate  - Fender have never in their history built a guitar as good as a Tom Anderson (or insert x brand from many alternatives here).

That's not even remotely true. I've had a few Andersons in the past and a couple of Suhrs and I'd take a good Fender over either every time.

stickyfiddle

Offset said:

The only guitar for which I'd like to see a dedicated gigbag is my Firebird.  It hardly - if ever - leaves the house but the Gibson hardcase it came in is like Hagrid's coffin, and it weighs as much.

I was thinking the same thing about Explorers. I'd love to have one again (or Firebird for the first time) but those cases are such a pain in the arse. 

jasonbone75

StuartMac290 said:

jasonbone75 said:

It's also far from accurate  - Fender have never in their history built a guitar as good as a Tom Anderson (or insert x brand from many alternatives here).

That's not even remotely true. I've had a few Andersons in the past and a couple of Suhrs and I'd take a good Fender over either every time.

We are not going to agree so that's fine. There is no playability, quality, or ease of access criteria where Fender are superior to nearly any guitar available. They might make people feel good so they prefer them but that is not an objective criteria. They are clunky, older designs that people love but they are still clunky older designs originally manufactured to maximise efficiency and profit.

Offset

Boromedic said:

It is still kind of reverse snobbery that you wouldn't pay £4k for a bolt on because of some weirdly perceived notion that a set neck is a lot more artisan and harder work. Plenty of time goes into both styles at the boutique level.

Ah - now that's where you're wrong.  The fact it's a bolt-one has absolutely nothing to do with it and didn't even figure in my thinking when I posted.  Six of my nine guitars are bolt-ons and it just happens to be a configuration I prefer.

Nor did I say I wouldn't pay £4k for a bolt-on, but it would have to be pretty unique and press a whole load of my buttons :-)

Boromedic

Well in that case, consider me corrected, although I feel that other posters are definitely pushing that vibe sometimes...

So if you wouldn't pay £4k for a Strat, which bolt on would you pay it for....?

Offset

Boromedic said:

Well in that case, consider me corrected, although I feel that other posters are definitely pushing that vibe sometimes...

So if you wouldn't pay £4k for a Strat, which bolt on would you pay it for....?

Ha ha!  I knew you'd ask that!  This (and it's double the price):

https://www.gyrockguitars.com/the-billy-f-gibbons-special/

Boromedic

Offset said:

Boromedic said:

Well in that case, consider me corrected, although I feel that other posters are definitely pushing that vibe sometimes...

So if you wouldn't pay £4k for a Strat, which bolt on would you pay it for....?

Ha ha!  I knew you'd ask that!  This (and it's double the price):

https://www.gyrockguitars.com/the-billy-f-gibbons-special/

Wow, that's certainly different, knowing Billy though it'll be a great guitar too like.

Offset

^^ I've adored them since they were first announced.  A lotta bread though...

Philly_Q

Boromedic said:

Offset said:

Boromedic said:

Well in that case, consider me corrected, although I feel that other posters are definitely pushing that vibe sometimes...

So if you wouldn't pay £4k for a Strat, which bolt on would you pay it for....?

Ha ha!  I knew you'd ask that!  This (and it's double the price):

https://www.gyrockguitars.com/the-billy-f-gibbons-special/

Wow, that's certainly different, knowing Billy though it'll be a great guitar too like.

Oh wow.... no, that is not for me.

Strat54

OilCityPickups said:

Offset said:

A £4k Strat/Tele copy?  Nah.

Exactly what I thought ... 

Times change, people now pay £350 for a single pickup. £4k for a finely built guitar is not unreasonable unless you are still living in the pa$t.